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Business Owners


Date posted - November 12, 2013


I see everyone is jealous of the farmers around here. Maybe you should look around at work and start figuring out how expensive the machines you are working around or maybe even the building you are in. Farmers and business owners take on big risk and see little rewards until later in life. Until you step in their shoes and realize what stress they have you won’t appreciate what they do for you. Please see the whole picture!

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64 Responses to “Business Owners”

  1. Lee Ann says:

    I don’t think many people are really upset over farmers. My family farm is over near Mallard, south of Emmetsburg. I know how hard people work on a farm. I know many farmers that work a day job and farm at night, so they can continue to farm. Its a shame they can’t just be a farmer, doing what they love to do.

    My complaint is with corporation farming. They get the big ag subsidies that were originally designed to help the struggling small farmer keep going. Instead, the corporations are getting millions, while the small farmer still works his day job, and farms under headlights.

    One would think that most of us come from farming backgrounds. It used to be that Iowa was filled with farming families. A few years ago I went over by where the family farm used to be, and on that road they used to have about 10 family farms. Today there are no more farmhouses, no more barns, no more woodlots. Its all, acre after acre, plowed land, owned by corporations. There isn’t even ONE farm on that road. I appreciate the farmers. I would only hope that the state government in Des Moines would pass a few laws to make it easier to finance and farm small family farms in this area. Instead Steve King gets more subsidies for corporations.

  2. johnson says:

    I hear what youre throwin’ down about corporate run farms. It is sad to see the family farms absorbed one by one. Eventually it will all be govt run and controlled just like our healthcare.

  3. Free Man says:

    I’m a small business owner and there there are no Federal price supports for my products. If I fail I go out of business and someone with more smarts or a better idea picks up where I failed.

    Farmers do work hard, but if they also don’t work smart why should the government hold them up when someone else could step in and do it better and more efficiently? They should be treated no differently by the government than any other business.

    • KW says:

      Look around, the ones that were doing it poorly have been replaced by the better farmers and larger equipment. Granted there are a lot of jokes about farmers and they do receive aid we don’t understand but their life depends on so many factors we city dwellers don’t understand. Kind of like how we don’t understand government until you step up and get in evolved in it. If farming is, so easy I would suggest you just try growing a garden that supplies all your needs for a full year with the exception of dairy and meat. I’m betting everyone would have a different outlook if they had to support themselves with their own hands on their own land. I for one know I cannot do it. The only way a farmer gets a raise in pay is if he can figure out how to get more grain on the same amount of land as last year.

    • Lee Ann says:

      Ag subsidies aren’t to help farmers so much as to ensure that during World War II, there was enough food to support the war effort. And after. if a farmer wasn’t getting enough profit to keep going, he would get ag subsidies to keep him afloat. Its totally different than a businessman going out of business, or having troubles due to low profits. Back in the day, if you couldn’t sell enough shoes, you closed. But if you were growing corn, or food products, they had to help to keep them afloat. However, in 2006 everybody said it was the best year for corn in history, after they quit plowing north of here and put in double the corn seed, they had a whole bunch more bushels per acre. I wonder why anyone needed a subsidy that year.

  4. Old wrestler says:

    Remind me again who forced farmers to choose the profession? They complain about how hard they work and how little we respect them and about how much easier everyone has it, but did the bank manager force the local to chose that job? Did the guy who struck it rich creating a webpage put a gun to someone’s head and say you have to farm? Pretty sure they made those choices on their own they could have gone to college and gotten a degree in medicine and become a doctor, they could have joined the armed forces, they could have become lawyers, bankers, teachers anything. Just like those farmers who work a job and farm too did anyone force them to do it? No it’s their choice to do it but then they complain about how hard they have to work if they don’t like working 2 jobs then stop doing one or the other.

    • Dave Popkes says:

      Be aware that a lot of the farmers are not complainers, but hard workers. Some years they have good crops and some years they have bad crops, its a gamble. As far as subsidies go if it is available, they had better apply, or somebody else will. This is marketing. I don’t envy them what they can get, with the costs of farming skyrocketing just like our business cost. I myself can control my expenses a little bit better, but we are all subject to the government, and the weather. If it is dry and the farmer doesn’t make it, it puts a world of hurt on our bottom line. I will agree that the farm subsidies are not good, because the farmers that really need them aren’t big enough to get them. It should be the other way around.

    • Dave Popkes says:

      If they didn’t farm, then all that would be would be corporate farms, and then the price of food would go up hurting us all.

  5. You missed it says:

    That’s hilariously out of touch with reality.

    Crop farmers inherit land from their parents or in-laws, “work hard” for 4 weeks in the spring and 4 weeks in the fall, and have the government to bail them out at market price if the crop fails. Really stressful. If a crop farmer today fails it’s because of total ineptitude. Any profession where you have to go out and buy new equipment and vehicles yearly to avoid taxes is in no need of sympathy from anyone. It’s funny in a way, because most of the ultra conservative farmers in this area were against the government bailouts for Wall Street and the auto makers (I was against it too), but they would be the first ones to cry foul if they didn’t get their Farm Bill (bailout) passed every time. Socialism anyone?

    Your statement is false. There is no “big risk,” and as far as “little rewards later in life,” how is working 2-3 months a year, buying brand new trucks, retiring a millionaire (if you own land) and passing on a cash cow of a farm to your children “little rewards?”

    People with big risk in their lives don’t have an inheritance given to them and guaranteed income until they die (and for their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren………).

    • KW says:

      Wow you just can’t relate to the uninformed and closed-minded. It’s really sad you don’t know where your bread and butter comes from

      • Ashshade says:

        No, I think You Missed It, is about right on. Why do farmers need farm bill money with 7-8 dollar corn? They got it, I don’t think they should have.

        I worked my butt off, trying to hold together a farm. Didn’t work. The neighbor with the big bucks wined and dined the landlord that we had been renting from for 25+ years, took that land away. Other family died, so that land got sold. What my grandfather did own is being fought over by the kids. My dad’s trying to hold onto 200 acres while the bro in law that farms 46 thousand this year is trying (filling a lawsuit) to get it. But bro in law left 3000 acres unplanted this year. That’s a living for 3 farmers and he just let it go. Oh, well. But that’s right he should have it. He is a better farmer than I am. No, he came from more money, married my aunt, and grabs everything he can get his hands on. Why? Because he can that’s why. Even if he can’t farm it all.

        I don’t feel sorry for those guys one bit. the Farm Bill should have a 500 – 1000 acre cap on it. They cover the first 500 – 1000 only on bad years. you want more acres you cover the margin. Good years? You don’t need money from anyone.

        • Dave Popkes says:

          I will agree with that, because most family farms are not big enough to compete with the mega farms.

        • Tim says:

          Ashshade…I will sell you all my corn crop for $6.50 you then can go sell it for yourself at that $7.00 to $8.00 you seem to have a market for. You will make at least $.50 to $1.50 a bushel for doing absolutely nothing. What a bargain for you!! And it will be tremendous for me!! If you are going to quote prices …stay informed todays cash price on corn….$4.15.
          I do agree, get rid of all subsidies, and if you do that, that would include ALL, to everyone. Now you will say, that cannot be done, we can’t cut subsidies to those who need it, including the WIC program and others, so where do you draw the line. If you say, well, those farmers should not get it, perhaps I agree. If you say you can’t cut a program like WIC, I would remind you of all the fraud and misuse that goes on in that program as well. I for one, think the WIC program is awesome for those who need it, it is some of those recipients that mis use it that give it a bad rap…same as every other needed subsidy program.
          Yes there are some outlandish greedy farmers out there, sounds like you know one.

          • Ashshade says:

            Tim, if you did not notice I was using past tense. “They GOT it, I don’t think they SHOULD HAVE”

            But that’s ok. Things are tight for alot of farmers right now. Some of those guys paid big rents again this spring. With $4.15 corn, that don’t work. Although after the last few years everybody should have a little saved up for the rainy days.

    • Dave Popkes says:

      I remember the long hours and the unknown on the farm. In those days we lived off the land and went without. Sometimes with the present day farm, family farm, it is still that way. You also forgot the unemployment, welfare, and free medical, Unions for the workers,.. The government is to blame, not the small farmer, or the small business.

    • Doug says:

      I think you would find. that most farmers would gladly forfeit any future assistance if you would guarantee than any and all handouts to everyone in this country would end forever.

      • Lee Ann says:

        That’s not rational. While I argue against ag subsidies for the millionaire corporate farmer, and want the ag subsidies to go to the small farmers out there, there is no way we will ever get rid of poverty. The poor have always and will always be with us. As Christians, our job is to help them and give them a decent safety net. Its not the poor people’s fault that there are people that take advantage. If you take cuts in food stamps because everybody is talking about the cheaters, you hurt the people that honestly deserve and need help.

        I disagree heartily with rich corporate farmers getting hundreds of thousands a year. But if that money were spent on the small farmers, it would help them tremendously.

        • Doug says:

          You are slightly mistaken. You should have said, I wish to impose my ideals upon you, that we should take your money and give to those who do not wish to help themselves. Has nothing to do with Christianity. I never heard once in going to Sunday School or church that it is our job to care for people who are capable of caring for themselves, but would rather not. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. And get the rest of them out of here, that arrived uninvited ie: ILLEGAL.

          If you knew what you thought you knew about farming, you would know that the subsidies for today’s small farmer have had little impact on the bottom line the last 3 – 4 years. Crop insurance is a different story, as the ONLY way you can purchase crop insurance, is through the government back crop insurance programs. So don’t be blaming the farmer for wanting to insure his crop with a gov-subsidized insurance policy, when the only game in town is government regulated. Farmers don’t write the regulations folks.

    • Tim says:

      To – You Missed it:
      Just so you know, not every farmer, farms b/c his/her farm came with a silver spoon!! Most work their @$$ off for it! And while we are in this discussion, even if they did inherit a piece of farm land, who worked for it before them? (And why should you care, I don’t care if your rich uncle left you an inheritance. Its none of my business) Did the gov’t just hand it to their parents, and grandparents, and great grand parents? Or did generations need to sweat to get it?
      I don’t think calling a farmer a ‘socialist’ is exactly correct; ( you said “they would be the first ones to cry foul if they didn’t get their Farm Bill (bailout) passed every time. Socialism anyone?”) Just so you know, again your statement ‘government to bail them out at market price if the crop fails’ a farmer buys insurance for that, it is expensive, he doesn’t have to, but he usually does. Do you even know what that farm bill is (bailout as you refer to it)? I am not a proponent of farm subsidies, however you really need to go check out what the “farm” bill is: http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/104270.pdf
      Your statement ” If a crop farmer today fails it’s because of total ineptitude.”
      really is without merit. Explain to me when a hail storm comes thru and a crop is wiped out, or a flood is so extensive that crops are destroyed, or there is little or no rain for 60 days during the peak crop production cycle, that your statement can be accurate? Or is it just a statement of spite!
      Where do you get off saying there is no “big risk,” ??
      Let me ask you since you seem to “hate’ those people who help to feed this country, what would happen if there was a year where there was a natural disaster and all farm commodities would no longer exist??? You scream to high heaven if the meat price at the counter goes up, yet do you even know why it does? Or perhaps you just think, “oh there goes that rich farmer again making my food price go up”.
      I grew up in this community, I am appauled at the dislike and disdain for the farmers I have seen on not only this opinion page but some others. All the way from those worthless farmers should not be on the roads, to those miserable farmers who make that horrible smell from livestock production. and now, those lazy farmers who only work “4 weeks in the spring and 4 weeks in the fall”. (at that rate everyone should be a farmer)
      I don’t think your opening line ” hilariously out of touch with reality.” is even plausible!!!

      • You missed it says:

        1) I don’t care if you inherited Microsoft, let alone your farm. It’s totally irrelevant to me. I am financially secure with a great family, I have what I want out of life and I don’t care what anyone else does. I also take pride that my parents didn’t give me any of it. Your argument that even though you slid into it, your previous generations had to sweat is totally without merit. It may very well be true, but that would be akin to saying that because I’m caucasian I had something to do with slavery. One has no impact on the other. You had nothing to do with the “sweat” of your great grandparents. Some people are born with a silver spoon in their mouths, and some are born having to put their own livelihood together. That’s the way the world has always been.

        2) I have read the entire Farm Bill; I deal with it on a daily basis. Your link is not the Farm Bill, it is a very poor summary.

        Here is the actual legislation if you care to educate yourself on the details: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ171/pdf/PLAW-107publ171.pdf

        If you are in favor of government support rather than letting market forces act on their own, then by default, you are supporting socialist ideals. I work in a capitalist world, where if my company doesn’t do business in a manner to stay afloat, I fail.

        3) The scenarios you listed (hail storm, etc…) are covered by insurance policies. If you choose not to buy them that’s your prerogative, but regardless, I don’t have an “insurance policy” available to bail me out of losing my employment other than my own investments and savings account, which the federal government surely didn’t put any money into. And if you want to talk about having to pay insurance premiums, they are more than outweighed by your tax exemptions and deductions.

        4) I don’t hate any farmers, and several of them are dear friends to me. They know that I don’t agree with the direct payments and handouts to already wealthy trust fund babies who are gifted farms through inheritance. If you think I take it to the point of hate you are mistaken. Life is too short to go through it hating people; if you want to do that be my guest. However, I can disagree with farmers worth millions receiving billions in direct payment handouts every year, when if anyone else would lose their job they’d get unemployment benefits which, after taxes, would be below poverty line income.

        Look, I have no interest in continuing to argue with a stranger over something so trivial as this. My parents both died in their 40′s and I’d give up 10 of your farm’s worth of money for them back. I honestly don’t give 2 rips about how hard you work and how much bread and butter you put on my table, but don’t tell me the handouts you get are justified because you are putting food in my mouth like a caretaker. Life is too short; argue away.

  6. Aaron says:

    This idea that the farmer is who puts bread and butter on my table is like the engine claiming it is what gets the car from point A to point B. If your car didn’t have wheels, it wouldn’t go anywhere either.
    What about the truck drivers? They literally bring my food to the store so I can buy it.
    What about the power plant? They literally power the machines that process my food so I can eat it.
    What about the oil field men? They literally fuel the equipment farmers use.
    What about the folks at Rosenboom? The literally build the parts that make present day farming possible.
    The list could go on and on. Many people have an equally important role to bringing the food to my table.
    This idea that we need to give homage and the public’s money to farmers because without them we’d all starve is baloney. There are a lot of people who are vital and maybe they all should get federal insurance and subsidies.
    I think the entitlement thinking for farmers was brought about by all the companies vying for the farmers money. Listen to the radio and watch TV and every seed, fertilizer and equipment ad starts with “We understand that you the farmer works so very very very hard.” Who ever can push the “unbelievably hard working grain farmer” the hardest wins the farmer’s business.

    • KW says:

      Really!! You want to drag in the whole world. OK the simple truth is that without the food that all farmers in the world grow and supply to the rest of us none of us would survive. None of your lists would mean anything. Just think about it. The only people that would be left are the ones that know how to grow and harvest a crop, feed an animal for slater to feed their family. (farmers) Anything after that is only the bounty that it created. Do you really think that in the beginning your list mattered? It only matters today because we have come to depend on it. I have worked hard all my life and hope I have made a difference along the way but I never have lost sight of where my bread and butter came from. I don’t know one farmer looking for anyone to give them homage but I will give them the respect they have earned.

      • Free Man says:

        I know where my bread and butter comes from, along with knowing where my knife, fork, plate, stove, refrigerator and microwave come from. I also know where the electricity, natural gas and LP come from that bakes my bread and churns my butter for me. I also know how they were delivered to the stores that sold them to me. All are just as important to putting bread and butter on my table as the farmer who supplies the raw ingredients.

        • KW says:

          Cool then we agree the money starts in the dirt.

          • Free Man says:

            Did the man digging iron ore put the tractor in the farmers shed?

            Did the roughneck out on the oil derrick drilling for crude fill the farmers bulk tank with diesel?

            This is the same as the farmers, they are the first step in a chain of processes to the finished product. They are just as important as all the rest in the process, but no more or no less.

    • Tim says:

      I agree Aaron, they are all important. However..this whole debate is nothing more than a farmer bashing. Your list of important entities could go on very long. However, there is no bashing of those on your list, except those who are farmers. Do you think any of those on your list don’t get a subsidy of some sort?
      - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/business/subsidies-aid-rebirth-in-us-manufacturing.html?_r=1
      - http://truecostblog.com/2009/06/02/the-hidden-trucking-industry-subsidy/
      - http://www.eli.org/Program_Areas/innovation_governance_energy.cfm
      My list can go on and on also…..
      I do disagree with you on this, I don’t think any farmer wants “homage” bestowed on them. I could be wrong, but I think most are humble enough to realize they are not the only occupation out there that is important. I do believe they want some sort of respect, as all laborers do. I am not sure what you mean when you say “entitlement thinking for farmers”. I think most just want a fair shake. But when business owners rip farmers apart, for being a farmer…..its not right. As far as subsidies, I am for the most part not for them. Our gov’t can’t afford them. But if we stop with one…we should stop with them all….then who will scream!!

  7. JAC says:

    I have been reading these posts for a while now and have found that people whine about who is getting what, who works harder and the list goes on. One thing I don’t understand where is the respect for each other at? It seems some are losing this basic thing respecting each other. Majority of people work and we all need each other to make this world go round. If you sit back and look at it the way I see the world working is supply and demand. If you don’t have the demand for seed to plant the crops you don’t have crops, if you don’t have the farmers to plant the crops you don’t have crops either. If you don’t have people who make the parts for tractors you don’t have crop. If you don’t have a dealership to sell the tractors you don’t have crops, or the mechanics to fix the tractors, or the semi drivers to haul the product, or people to insure those drivers who deliver the meat. Everything we do is interconnected to make the world turn. We are all dependent on each other doing our jobs to keep this system going.
    Yes farmers do only work for a short amount of time a year but it is a very stressful time a year, but from what I have known of farmers they usually not all but most have other jobs other than farming. Yes they have the “bail out” if something happens to their crop but farmers also have conditions they can not control that affect their crops like the whether. I don’t come from a farming family but my father did have a job that was greatly effected by farmers if the farmers weren’t getting paid neither was he, on the other hand if the farmers didn’t have my father to treat their livestock they didn’t have healthy livestock to turn around and sell to slaughter to make money. All interconnected. We need each other so why not start respecting what each and every one of us do to contribute to this world. Things are not always fair but that is life

    • KW says:

      You are right. Thanks for putting my feet back on the ground.

    • Dave Popkes says:

      We are turning into an entitlement society and are forgetting what hard work and long hours are. Thankfully there are people out there that are too proud to take a handout anywhere. There are too many people that can work but don’t and live on the handouts.

  8. Shelly says:

    none of you know what you are talking about.

  9. rdw says:

    Retailing has also gone corporate. Im old enough to remember all the family owned grocers that were in Sheldon.

  10. dlc says:

    I agree he probably hit the window because he thought he was being responsible and the sheriff still arrested him I think the intent of the public intoxication law is for people who are out of control and loud not someone being responsible by not driving he was not bothering anyone he probably was just trying to get home, where is the real crime here, where is the understanding by the sheriff that there dealing with people this was a good opportunity to serve the public and give him a ride home and thank him for not driving.

  11. concerned one says:

    I am a business owner. I do not receive any subsidy program. If I miss sales due to snow storm, thunder storm, or maybe I am a grower of types and my stock dies, I am out. I spoke yesterday with our lawn care provider (no names, but he got me thinking and here I am) they do just a fall clean up for me. He was little frustrated, cold weather, snow, frozen leaves, and now sunny. No complaints from him but after seeing this and speaking with him yesterday I can feel his pain. Numerous phone calls, etc. Mowers are only so big and leaves take time. Now I look at this artilce on here and think hum, dry summer, wet summer, seems to me farmers in regards to being guranteed have one up on this guys type of business. Now I have dealt with hyway construction, downtown street work, partilly blocked off road due to intersection work, I have yet to see my subsidy payment come through….but I must be a city folk business owner who doesn’t know how to deal with type of things because I do not put food on the table for millions or keep RMT supplies with cyclinders. I have looked at the ewg.org website. Explain to me how crop insurance, subsidy payments can be handed out like that. I have a tax exempt card. Thing that strikes me is that when I go to bomgaars, chase lumber, people ask this for farm? I so no. Finally I asked why do you ask that? They tell oh, all farm stuff is tax exempt. What else doens’t the farmer pay sales tax on? Your trucks? ATV’s? I am curious. I also dont understand why my commercial buildiing as a deprication schedule of 39.9 years where as the farmers shop/storage shed has what ___? Please explain. My vehicle as a 7 year deprication what does the farmers truck have? I also dont understand how my business, vehicles, house, etc are termed as net worth. Now when my child is in college and needing aid, this counts against me, the city folk business owner. Now the farmer, say 200 acres of land, maybe a confinement, shop etc, I would assume is considered net worth. Why isnt this counted against there finiancal aid as net worth. I would think the more you have the more you can pay type of thing but then again me the city fold business owner who doesn’t know how to work or jiv the system because the farmer had money to spend instead of paying tax man so therefore buy equipment/land/shop and now has a net loss ding ding ding kids goes to college for oh say next to nothing. As far as working hard – or dealing with stress in 10 weeks of year if you get a crop…seriously? I had a roofing crew replace our flat roof this summer….I would put that crew side by side all day every day against any farmer. Or the concrete crew that is working on the street scape project – once again any day. i think I work hard as well but in different ways, areas, etc as the farmer but if that farmer (beside the milking per say) would have to be up every morning at 5 am, half hour for dinner and work till 5 pm like say myself, the coop, RMT, roofers, childrens world, and to get 2 weeks a year for vacation/time off….you the farmer would be in for a world of hurt. The farmer does come into my store….2 comments always come up…..they tell me your ( as in me ) are really blessed to have this business or job bc at least you know where your check comes from every week or I am just a farmer….cant do any better on price…wow your expensive. And I think your tractor, combine, other tractor, tillage equipment, sprayer, planter, and who knows what else far out ways anything I own or ever will have or need or afford and you have the gale to tell me this….who are you kidding. So yes were in the farm community and I realize the playing field is never level or will it ever be so keep spending money in our stores and we’ll keep feeling sorry for you hard working stress ridden table food provider. farmer!

    • Tim says:

      I am not looking for sympathy!! Not from this community!!
      Again, I will put my ability to work along side any one of your workers, all things being equal. When you say farmers don’t know how to work, absurd! Perhaps it is time for those of us in the farming occupation, to just say, “it is time to shop elseware”…I think it may be time to just start ordering everything I buy online or out of town. (it can be done…and cheaper perhaps) I never thought I would be seeing this much animosity toward a persons occupation, or a persons success, in this community. Since it seems all the folks in town (and now business owners) hate farmers, and we are so lazy, we don’t know how to work anyway, I would call for all those farmers, to take their huge profits out of town, and let all those “hard working” folks have their day.
      “I would put that crew side by side all day every day against any farmer” I will admit, they work hard, but I have a feeling there are several “lazy, ‘jiv the system’” (your words) farmers that would take you up on that.
      You consistantly put the blame for the farmers totally unfair “benefits” in his hands. Do you think the farmer makes the rules? He/she needs to abide by the law, or wait…. thats right you think all farmers are scum of the earth, and cheat at everything.
      So now you want me to spend my money in your store?? Why should I!!! If this is what the business community in this NW Iowa area thinks of farmers…I challenge farmers to take their money elseware!!

      It really boils down to something… ENVY. Why can’t I hope that you will be successful? Why must I feel if you are successful, you cheated someone out of something? Why must I feel that you have it so much better than I?
      We tend to look at what the other person has that we lack, or it comes from thinking another person has even more than we have.

      • Dave Popkes says:

        If it wasn’t for the my business would not be as good as it is. And that goes for everyone else, if no one makes a profit then I don’t either. If the programs are there then everyone better use them (that’s honestly) otherwise tell the people that vote these in. There are a lot of programs across the board that the working class use,some need it,some don’t.

      • Lee Ann says:

        I agree with you Tim. (amazing, eh?) How can we hate farmers? This is Iowa! Iowa was built on farms. All of the Germans, Swedes, Dutch, Norwegians, etc. came to Iowa when they entered this country because of the black soil. And to make communities of like minded people. I grew up in town, but spent weekends on the family farm. Back in the 50s, they had to diversify and add more than just the corn and beans. So they got hogs and chickens, and sold wood off the woodlot. My uncle didn’t have an air conditioned tractor, he had an orange one with those big round seats, no cell phones, no AC, no shade. Its what they did to get through the year. I think we should be grateful to our farmers. If they gave up, we’d be in a world of hurt.

      • JCS says:

        Just got off the phone with a farmer and he’s already thinking of projects for this winter and he’s still harvesting. I’ve noticed with farmers they are able to see work and don’t need a supervisor telling
        to get it done. (Well maybe some have a wife that do, sorry ladies.)
        Also seen many farmers who are very meticulous with even the menial jobs,i.e. powerwashing hog barns.
        Just an idea, with Thanksgiving approaching can we be more positive
        and thankful for each other and also for all the blessings the Lord has bestowed on us?
        Where does bashing get you? I know for a fact you’ll feel better about yourself when building someone up or making someone’s day.
        Yes, I could use some definite improvement also. Coming Dear!

  12. Judy says:

    The fact of the matter is we all have our jobs to do and we should be minding our own business and not each others. We are commanded to Love one another – to love our neighbor as ourselves. We hold ourselves out as a Christian community. There is nothing loving or christian about this thread. We need each other – plain and simple. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – get over yourselves. The farmers in NW Iowa aren’t the only farmers in the world. The business owners in NW Iowa aren’t the only business owners in the world. Whaa, whaa, whaa, he/she hurt my feelings. Do I really need to remind you that thousands are without food and shelter tonight in the Philippines (not to mention what’s going on in Syria) or looking for their missing loved ones and you guys are on here bickering about who works harder? I’m embarassed for you.

  13. Disappointed says:

    Wow! What a community of complainers! Whatever happened to the saying, “if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all”? People look at the generations coming up and complain about them and what the world it coming to–school shootings, bullying, no manners, and the list goes on–but yet if we look at ourselves, and what we have right in front of us, it is obvious that it is US that that is coming from! Not the video games, not the schools, not the streets! From our own homes! Look at the bullying and the complaining going on just on this website– you really wonder how generations to come are turning out just so horrible? That is really a question we have to ask ourselves?

    Where is the respect, appreciation, kindness, and love anymore? It is really kind of pathetic. To be honest with you, I have never seen a community complain so much–and to top it off, on a website that gets you know where! Unless you have walked a mile in someone’s shoes you have no idea what they go through on a day to day basis nor know how hard they work to get their–whether it be a farmer, doctor, teacher, police officer, stay at home mom, etc. So, until you have done their job, you have no room to slam them. And if you have done their job, you still have no right to slam their job because their path to that job or during that job is totally different than yours–it may be an easier path or a harder path, you have no idea.

    I hear negativity from both sides on this thread–from the farmers and from the “city goers”. I here from farmers, or people defending the farmers, that they are who puts bread, butter, etc. on my table. Excuse me, but no they do not! I work my a$# off to provide for me and my family. I will take the credit for putting the food on my table, thank you for the offer though! Give credit where credit is due! I will give the farmer credit for working their a$# off just as much as I will give credit to anyone else working–I don’t care what line of work you are in–nobody deserves more credit than then other. We are all putting forth the effort to make the world go round and no one is more important than the other–it’s called teamwork! Just like in a game of football, basketball, etc, without the other teammates you’re not going to go very far. There are a lot of ball hogs in this game of life and we are definitely loosing if you look at the world around us. We may want to come up with a different game plan!

    I hear from the “city goers”, as they are being referred to, that (1) farmers are getting things handed to them, (2) their work is easy, (3) they only have to work so many months out of the year, (4) if they fail the government bails them out.
    First off, some farmers inherit their land–yes–however, why does that matter? Are you telling me that since they inherited their land that it is only fair for you to inherit something? The world isn’t fair–another thing we are teaching generations to come (that everything has to be fair)! What is it any of your business what they inherit? Who cares if it was inherited–that means it just came from someone else that worked their a$# off to get it. There are also people that inherit money, stores, etc.–so not only is inheriting things a part of the farming population. It really should not make a difference as to who inherits what–it’s not about that, it’s about how you carry yourself after you inherit it. If their work is so easy and they only have to work so many months out of the year and their benefits are so good (such as bailout–some may refer to as crop insurance that the FARMER has to PAY FOR) why did you not choose to go in to that profession? We all choose our path in life–one of those choices is what we want to do to provide for ourselves and our families–otherwise known as a job. Along with that choice in career comes the benefits that go along with that job–all jobs come with different benefits and different stresses. Some benefits are a retirement package, life-insurance, health insurance, paid days off, etc.–farmers do not get all those benefits just like other jobs don’t get the benefits of the farmer. YOU CHOOSE YOUR JOB! So if you want the benefits of the farmer be a farmer. However, I think most people complaining about the farmers don’t want to be farmers and all the negatives of being a farmer that go along with it. Instead, the complainers would rather live the life of having their dream job, all the benefits of a farmer and no stress that comes along with their dream job nor the stress that comes along with farming. SNAP BACK TO REALITY and you may find yourself in a little happier mood!

    On a previous thread, I also read about how farmers think they own the roads–well they actually do! HOWEVER, no more than you or I. The frustrations about farmers on the roads –they drive to slow, they take up the whole road, they pull out in front of you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah–really could be applied to the general public I have seen cars, semis, etc. do the exact same things. So again, just something to complain about and aim towards a population of people that you have anger towards. Every complaint I hear about farmers–is it true of SOME farmers yes. However, it is not true of all farmers and it is also true of the general population.

    Everyone needs to get off their high horses and get rid of the negativity. Stop looking for the pity party of poor me and the job I chose and how rough life is. Who knows –the person next to you that you keep saying has it so easy could be going through hell and back and you just don’t know it!

    “You gotta look for the good in the bad, the happy in your sad, the gain in your pain, and what makes you grateful not hateful.”

    • Dave Popkes says:

      I wish everyone would look at everything more positively. Most of the complainers are the minority concentrated in this area. All the people around here are important to me, they make up our community. I wish the farmer, businesses, and the workers all the luck and prosperity that they can get. Also it is time that everyone sits back and says thank you and gives thanks for everything they have, and lets work together to make this community a friendly place and prosperous for all.

  14. An Idea says:

    I realize some farmers have a large net worth, but most people in this area came from a farm family at one time, even if that was several generations ago. It is too bad that so many families chose to sell that ground and not continue farming. If those family farms had not been sold for the upfront money, not nearly as many of those large corporate farms would be able to exist. Those family farms would give you a comfortable income for the rest of your life, but everyone looks at the large chunk of money they will get up front. Blame who you want but maybe you should question what happened to your family farm….

    • Lee Ann says:

      There may be a fairly large number of farmers that became excited about that chunk of change they could sell the farm for, or the farmers got too old, wanted to move into town and didn’t have any kids around close to take over. My family farm, my cousins were teachers and accountants, living in Georgia and Illinois. So the farm was sold.

      Remember Farm Aid? Trying to keep the small farms going when things were pretty rough. And how many farmers in this country shot themselves in the barn while the auction was going on? Because they not only failed themselves, but they failed the last 3 generations on that farm. Imagine living with that?

      I have an acquaintance that went back to organic farming, so he’s out there walking beans, raising animals, and he says he’s working like a dog, but he loves it. he rotates crops, etc. And works up to 16 hours a day, but he says its the way farming should be. So there are good farming situations out there.

      and I stand by my statement that Iowa was built by farmers. A large % of business around here is support for the ag community.

  15. Jeff says:

    As said earlier i am here for a few weeks for family stuff so seeing this is tough. I basically live southern area now days. I see a few city dwellers visit for a week or so or more. I have a few neighbors that are farmers that live by me for the winter the return home to plant through harvest. I see town people point of view. They view the farmer as having things a bit to good. If my 401k goes down I don’t get a govt reimburment. City folks see this big equipment which we all know cost money, maybe way more than most houses in town. I am confused thou about hard working? Tim not sure what you do…..assume farm? I think, to me rmt worker on there feet 12 hours a day is hard work. The landscaper, roofer, concrete guy is hard work, I really think they work harder than you Tim….just what I see thus far on this sight in comparison. So no offense please. I thnk buying everything in town is far fetched….and can’t really be compared to city workers via farmers. But I like the corn, beans, smell of “liquid money” as I call it aka…manure! So enjoy what your doing, sleep well, and enjoy your families. Keep commenting ….I like reading this site.

    • Tim says:

      Jeff..
      I told myself to let this topic rest, however, since you addressed me peersonally… I know RMT employees work hard. I Know what 50 hour work weeks feel like when you punch a clock. (and then go home at night and do the chores and farm)
      Jeff your comments don’t and can’t offend me. My point in most of my comments was I just don’t like being told I am lazy, and get free handouts everytime I turn the corner. I don’t like someone telling me or others that they know how much better off we have it. Why should it matter? I hope each and every one of us is successfull. But it is none of my business or others how they achieved success or how successful someone else is. My father instilled in me the work ethic that if you don’t work for something you won’t get it. My kids have that same work ethic and I am proud of everyone of them and what they do, and how they each work hard in their profesions. I never said nor will I ever that I work harder or that my job is harder (or easier) than anyone else, but I can work side by side with any other 60 year old!! I work and have worked for everything I got. When someone attacks what I do and claims I am lazy, or the gov’t gives me everything, I will fight back. Yes I farm, and I have done it all with it. (sometimes two other jobs in town with it) I am never going to say another job a person has is not harder than mine, it probably is. I did choose my profession. Not ashamed of it and not going to apologize for it. As far as buying my needs in town, I perhaps was a little harsh on some of my comments regarding those in town that have businesses. I did not mean to insult them, (if they felt that way, I apologize for that) I do buy my products locally. It is just the way I do business. I like my small town business partners, they have treated me fairly and I will treat them fairly.
      I think many on here may already have stated it, we all need to work together. We need to wish the best for the others well being and prosperity. We need to stop worring so much about how or what the next guy is getting and be more concerned on how WE are doing, and what we are doing to accomplish our own goals. Sometimes we may think the grass is greener on the other side, but the comments are true, don’t knock someone else’s situation till you have been in their shoes.

  16. Harriet Oleson says:

    Good grief…. This same back and forth has been on this website several times already the past year. Farmers get subsidies, farmers only work two months out of the year, farmers act like they own the roads, farmers have to buy new equipment and pickups so they don’t have to pay taxes because they make too much money, farmers are all rich, farmers blah – blah – blah.
    Well – lets take a step back and see how many benefits the general population receives from the government that I have seen none turn down or refund. Start with the US Postal Service which operates at a magnificent deficit – feel free to use private companies like FedEx or UPS for all of your mail needs.
    Or voluntarily relinquish your Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid(which are all socialism) and save for all of your own retirement and later care. Oh – but I paid in for years – sorry but your input isn’t even close to what you will receive. Oh – but prices(COLA) have gone way up – yes but your CD rates haven’t so why would you accept what you didn’t earn?? Give it to charity and take care of yourself – you haven’t really earned it.
    Or send all children to private schools – free or almost so public schooling shouldn’t be considered by those who are against getting subsidies from the government – oh wait – farmers are the ones who pay the greatest amount of taxes to public schools.
    And I see no reason for anyone to use a public library as every time you check out a book for free you are cheating an author out of money that you should be paying for a book – its un-American to take something that you haven’t actually paid for on your own.
    After you leave the library please stay out of the city and county parks as well.
    We businesspeople in Walnut Grove appreciate our rural friends and neighbors…..

  17. Cyndi says:

    We lived in Sheldon for over 20 years. It no longer felt safe and friendly so we moved to a farm. We still work and shop in Sheldon. (We live here but don’t actually farm the 5 acres.) It’s just a safe and peaceful place. The people out here are different. They would do anything for you and help without asking for anything in return. They wave or stop to help in a pinch, even if they don’t know you. We would never move back to town where noise and crime is everywhere. Several of the farmers actually have jobs when they aren’t in the fields the 8-10 months of the year or they work during the day and in the fields at night till midnight. They don’t work 40 hr jobs like we do.

    • Stuckinsmalltownmuch says:

      crime everywhere in Sheldon?! LOL

      • Cyndi says:

        I moved from a city and Sheldon and it wasn’t that way over 20 yrs ago. The neighborhood was quiet and we had older neighbors/nice homes. They died off and the slum lords came in. Houses sold cheap. “Renters have rights” is what we were told as parties and people ran through the yards at 2 am every weekend. The police were/are busy people there. We were desperate and took a loss when we sold and will be paying this place off till I’m in my late 70′s. That’s the price we have to pay for peace. It was a hard decision but worth it.

  18. rdw says:

    We all need to lighten up!!! Being disliked because of the way you earn your living makes about as much sense as your nationality,skin color , religion. live style etc. etc. The point its all nonsense and needs to be ignored.

  19. virgil says:

    does anyone ever read their own stupid comments? because that is what MOST of this has become

  20. Free Man says:

    Lets all watch this then have a beer.

    Cheers

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NK4SnHf8mU

  21. Farmer's Daughter says:

    If some of you that are complaining only knew how hard it is to keep a small family farm up and running while trying to compete with these other farmers that have hundreds and thousands of acres. Its a DAILY struggle o make sure everything gets done and that all the equipment is still running and no repairs are needed to be made. My father has worked his entire life for the small amount of land we have and yes he may have inherited it but he spent most of his life working it right along side his father and grandfather, so those of you that like to bitch about people being given land you can just shut up cause most of the small family famers have worked their whole lives for the land they have and it wasn’t just given to them on a silver platter.

  22. biker says:

    Ok everyone works hard at there respected job. Why havent some questioned been answered here by the farmers that are being asked? I read alot of jibbing each other and no real facts. 1. Is it true that kids going to college is better off being a farm kid vs city kid? I wont know if my net worth justifies x amount of tution vs famers net worth. 2. Is it true that farmer can deduct things sooner …ie say depreication expense on a building. 3. Can the farmer explain how he can afford $100,$300, $800 thousand in equipment? 4. Why are the town people upset? One says envy, jealous, but what is the real reason? 5. City employee gets paid overtime, does a farmer’s hire hand? 6. Some one explain to me why farmers feel that they wish they could live in a $250 thousand house like the city people – what does the farmer live then? 7. Some one said they see lights on in the field till midnight….the farmers work long hours….is this 6 days a week, 12 months a year minus holidays? 8. Farmers please explain why I always here “were just farmers, we cant afford that”. Maybe those on this site dont but getting gas today at the coop station that comment stuck out after he priced tires for his pickup. 9. Why does the farmer feel as if he produces all the food for this world? 10. Subsidies?

    So after reading these post and adding one comment myself from what I heard today, I think by answering a few questions this thread may die!

  23. biker says:

    Ok. I get the registar sunday paper. Editor section. Page 2OP. Farm bill illustrates messed up washington.

    I will parphrase the artilce and quote the piece. “contrary to the corn growers association claims that they “feed the world” 44 percent of us corn goes to ethanol production and a large portion of the rest, especially in Iowa, goes to meat export to the growing upper class in china and elsewhere”

    “more people could be fed and Iowa’s air, water and land and wildlife would be better off if we grew more crops for direct human consumption and less for car fuel and concentrated animal feeding operation livestock”

    “to work a deal in dysfunctional washington, the farmers must get their guaranteed income through publicly supported crop insurance and the city politicians must get thier food stamps”

    My last comment, I get more negative votes than positive? Simply looked at all above post and those seem to be the questions that are being in question but yet no real responce? I am just noting un answered questions as I see them.

    • Doug says:

      You aren’t talking the liberal-ethanol-hating “registar” from our state capital, are you? The farm bill is messed up, but the farmer did NOT write it.

      Yes, lots stop making fuel for cars, and driving them too. Then you can change horseshoes for a living.

      Everyone is such an expert at how it should be done, well get out your spare checkbook and buy a qtr. section and get yourself farming. You’ll get all the tax breaks and discounts you’ve been dreaming about. $2.5 million should get you 160 acres to start with, but you’ll still need your day job only farming a quarter. Maybe you have another $300k sitting around for the equipment. You’ll only be in debt for the rest of your life, what have you got to lose?

      Why aren’t you worried about what the doctors, dentists and lawyers are bringing home? Why aren’t you asking why a $30 physical is now $150, or a $300 crown is now $800? Or why a $150 tractor alternator, now costs $800? Is there some sort of pecking order that stipulates whose income you need to worry about? Why should a farmer have to justify their equipment inventory to you?