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Date posted - January 9, 2014

From what I’ve read California Governor Jerry  Brown signed into law last August a bill stating that transgender school children can choose the bathroom they wish to use and  the sports team they want to complete on based on their expressed gender.  The law took effect January 1, 2014.  Could this also happen in South Dakota or Iowa?

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  1. Ashshade says:

    I don’t see how this would get past the courts. Stomping on 30 peoples rights so 1 person can feel better about themselves.

    I can just see the guys lining up now. “I’m a girl realy I am.

    • Ducky says:

      >>Implying that the best way to attract high school girls is to pretend to be one yourself

      I think it goes beyond just pretending to be the opposite gender. There are people who truly want to be the opposite sex. It goes beyond just pretending. They will live like the gender they choose to be. For example, a boy who addresses himself as female. He wears makeup on a daily basis, long hair, and wears female clothing and garments. Odds are, he (or she) would be bullied everywhere else in and out of school. And can you imagine the bullying that would happen in the boy’s bathroom where there is no adult supervision? Let the transexual students use the ladies room. Give them a place that they can feel normal in a culture that tears down anything that is different.

      Interesting fact: In Japan, there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex is seen as your genetic orientation while gender is what a person addresses themselves as. We used to be a country that lead the way in personal freedoms for centuries. Let’s get back on top and stop limiting the freedoms of other people. Let them use the other bathrooms they feel like they belong to!

    • jake says:

      It happens all the time. Ducky is doing it again right below.

      • Maggie says:

        What about how the girls/women feel about having a male using their restroom and vise versa – how will boys/men feel about a women using their restroom?

        • Ducky says:

          I wouldn’t care if a transgender girl regularly used the men’s bathroom. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and calls itself a duck…. it’s a duck.

          • trailduster says:

            Speaking of Ducks,Why are they spending the peoples money on a investigation as too why Duck,and geese fly in a V formation?
            Already know why most of the time one leg is longer than the other.
            Do you know why?
            More geese.LOL,
            You know what Ducks Do,They Duck in and they Duck Out.:)

        • Lee Ann says:

          If a person truly believes they are a man stuck in a woman’s body, I wouldn’t have a problem with using the man’s bathroom. However, I don’t think it would be very safe for him/her to do so. If I were in a woman’s bathroom and an obviously 6’3″ female with nice nails, hair done very nicely, looking like a woman, but having an adam’s apple or something obvious, I wouldn’t object to her using the woman’s bathroom. We do have stalls, you know. And someone transgendered that has always had problems with feeling different, like a freak, a woman stuck in a man’s body is going to be extremely careful to not bother anyone else’s privacy.

          With anything one wishes to see on the internet, nobody with any brains is going to try to dress like a woman merely to get into a woman’s bathroom.

          Showering would be different. Nobody that has struggled with being a transgendered person is going to want to show their body to anybody. That’s why most schools have one or two private showers with shower curtains. And the idea of a shower after gym class is a joke. Most people I knew in high school had on a bra and underwear, and dabbed at their armpits and left it at that.

  2. Doug says:

    1 person restrooms. Put in 30 of them. End of problem.

    • Jon says:

      I agree to a point. There are very few public facilities that don’t have a single occupancy bathroom somewhere. The high school in Sheldon has single occupancy bathrooms for faculty and in the offices, for example. There is no need for 30 single occupancy bathrooms, but maybe having ONE or TWO would alleviate this issue.

    • dsa says:

      Who wants to pay for thirty bathrooms? I’m still paying for my own.

  3. dsa says:

    God made us male and female(genesis 1:27). Jesus restates this in Matthew 19:4. When people try to pretend this is not so they are in rebellion against God. Confusion and misery ensue. I wouldn’t allow my daughter to be exposed to this kind of craziness.

    • Ducky says:

      Not everyone believes in your god. It is unfair for you to strip down the integrity of others based on your religion.

      • jake says:

        Goes both ways ducky! Why is it OK for you to express your beliefs but when the other side does it is unfair?

        • Ducky says:

          My beliefs don’t involve humiliating others or limiting the rights of others. I think I’ve been pretty clear that I believe in letting things be. Live and let live. I do object to many current laws that go against the rights or integrity of others.

        • Ducky says:

          I don’t want to limit anyone’s freedoms. I believe we need more individual freedoms. I’m not shushing anyone’s political views. Just saying that people need to learn how to be nice to each other.

          • Tim says:

            dsa, did not humiliate you or limit your rights. dsa did not address you personally, yet, you always seem to take offence to anyone that voices their opinion based on their beliefs. Yet, we all need to accept yours. Because yours are based on “personal freedoms and individual rights”. I am confused on that.
            I too disagree with certain laws limiting the rights of people. ‘ I do object to many current laws that go against the rights or integrity of others.’ Perhaps you and I agree on some rights, I think we should have no speed limits, (we should be able to regulate our speed to the specific situation). Why should I be told I need to wear a seat belt, (it restricts me and my car has air bags) What about nudity, why should we be told we need to wear cloths in public, Or why should I be told I need Obama care. (LOL)……….those are my rights correct? or were they implemented to protect society????? So not allowing your transgendered person from going into which ever restroom, lockerroom they want, in a way protects society, does it not?
            So Ducky, where do you want to stop with “personal rights”?

      • dsa says:

        Isaiah 29: 16b says,” For shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He hath no understanding?”
        What people believe has nothing to do with reality. Right and wrong are not determined by popular vote. I know that God created all things and He is the one who decides right and wrong. He reveals his will to us in the Bible. Knowing this, it would be dishonest of me to pretend anything else is true. For me to submit myself to your standards of fair and unfair is ridiculous. I’m going with the Almighty God as revealed in the Bible.

        • Lee Ann says:

          dsa, “For me to submit myself to your standards of fair and unfair is ridiculous. I’m going with the Almighty God as revealed in the Bible” That is great. I highly respect your belief system and encourage you to live by your beliefs. However, you cannot be the rule giver for everyone, only for yourself and your own family. Thank God we live in a country where all belief systems are allowed, and we are all free to live as we choose, freely without a government shoving a religion on us, and allowing us to go to our own Church and Sunday SChool. But what is someone else’s belief system has nothing to do with how you yourself believe. Everyone is allowed to believe as they wish. Your beliefs about transgendered people, and I am sure, all other kinds of moralities is fine for you. But this country gives everybody rights. Your rights end where my rights begin. Right?

          • dsa says:

            Lee Ann, You missed my point. I can’t be the rule giver for anyone, not even for myself or my family. I can’t trust my own feelings as a basis for right and wrong because they are fickle and easily swayed. This is why we need a standard outside of ourselves. Looking back over my own life, I see that when I was wrong, at the time it seemed I was right. My feelings were in error. This is why I have to base my morals on a set standard outside myself. The standard is set by God (the creator of everything) and revealed to us in the Bible. God is sovereign over everything and we need to obey him.

          • Lee Ann says:

            My belief is that one must be strong enough within themselves to know what is right for you. I believe that the main thing is to do no harm to anyone else. Never judging someone else, allowing them to live their life as they see fit.

            Since I believe that everyone has rights and should live as they see fit, as long as no one else is hurt, I don’t judge, I don’t try to tell them what is best for them or their family. So I don’t spend my time trying to change their views, as they don’t try to change mine. I can respect the person without arguing that they should live MY way. Whether its same sex marriage or transgendered children in school, or gay boy scouts, or whatever, if it doesn’t affect me, I am not going to judge or condemn. As long as they are legal, of age, and not hurting others, I will give them the rights they are entitled to.

    • Lee Ann says:

      I used to be an acquaintance of a transgendered man. I actually was his nurse many times. I happen to believe that God does not make mistakes. This man was DNA tested as an XXY. XX is woman and XY is man. So he was XXY and had felt like a male all of his life. If God doesn’t make mistakes, perhaps there are reasons for these things happening. We have evidence of two male penguins together raising an egg. We see homosexuality in lots of different wild animals. I believe we are all God’s children. And he made all kinds of people to make up our world. So its not for me to judge.

      • dsa says:

        I see male animals ( mostly cats ) eating their own offspring as soon as they’re born. Is this a behavior we should be promoting as natural as well? Or do we just pick the ones we like?

        • Lee Ann says:

          Male animals have been eating, stomping and/or killing pups, kittens, calves, etc. for a whole lot longer than people have been here. And they seem to come through with an adequate number of babies to keep the species alive. That is one reason why female cats are the boss around the pride because they control the safety of the kittens. Its sad to see, but life goes on, even in wild animals. I don’t think its an accurate depiction of what is involved in transgendered teens.

    • MamaB says:

      Be careful…………what would you say to the baby/child born with both sets of genitals. This happens more than you realize. Transitioning this child into 1 or the other makes them trans-gender. And God created them that way. More tolerance, less judgement.

  4. dsa says:

    This is confusion, not clarity. The child born with both sets is a totally different subject than a person who disregards their physical gender and chooses a gender based on feelings. One is a physical trait and the other a behavior. Most of this discussion concerns the latter.

    • Ducky says:

      Why does that matter? Shouldn’t a person have the right to whatever they want to their own body? How are tattoos and body piercings any different? It’s body modification on the body “God” gave you. I agree with the Japanese culture that there is a difference between sex and gender. And if you want to change your sex to match your desired gender, go for it. It’s your body, your mind, and your life. I think it’s wrong to treat another person like an outcast because they’re a little different.

      How a person chooses to dress or alter their body does not affect me, so why should I be angry about it? I think everyone should ask themselves that same question.

      • dsa says:

        If you look back to the two cents editorial, you’ll notice he’s talking about expressed gender. They will be able to act based on what they say rather than what really is.
        I don’t think the Japanese culture is exactly thriving. Out of 224 countries only 3 have a lower birth rate than Japan. Maybe they need to do something different.

      • Tim says:

        Ducky. I believe your choice to change your sexuality is not what God wants for us. I think God has allowed society and science the opportunity, and knowledge to perform so many things that He may not approve us. I believe He has given us this knowledge and ability to see what we will do with it. He has allowed science to be able to perform sex change, He has allowed society and science to clone, He has allowed society and science to heal some disease, yet he has not allowed society and science to heal everything. So why does He allow some things and not others? Is it to see where we will take what He has instructed, or is He testing the human race? I don’t know, I wish I did. I know ‘I’ need to follow what ‘I’ believe He asks me.
        Ducky, you said “How a person chooses to dress or alter their body does not affect me, so why should I be angry about it? I think everyone should ask themselves that same question.” I actually agree with you that it does not affect me. However, you always want to take it further. You want those choices to be dictated as personal freedoms and personal rights and they should be accepted at all costs by those that are (believe it or not) still the majority, or don’t believe in your values.
        Ducky, if you allow yourself (I don’t know if you are or not) as a transexual (male I assume) use the same bathroom as my granddaughter, and you can expose yourself “legally” in a bathroom. You should be going to jail. If you want to take the complete sex change, you can use the womens restroom, locker room, changing room, at that time, not any sooner. My granddaughter has rights too!!!!

        • Lee Ann says:

          Tim, there aren’t any transgendered that all of a sudden go to school, decide they are a female, therefore, start going to the women’s bathroom. These are people that have believe, whether you believe they are correct or not, that they are a freak, embarrassed, wanting to hide their physical features, just wish to be normal like everybody else. if a young man decides in one day that he’s a girl, and he can visit the girl’s bathroom, why would he do that just to get in a girl’s bathroom? Transgendered people have felt less than, embarassed, different, all of their lives, not just since yesterday. No transgendered female is going to want anybody to know that she is different. Women’s bathrooms have stalls, with locks. A transgendered female would be trying to casually get in and out without anybody knowing they are transgendered (like in a city store, etc.) No trangendered female is going to expose their differentness, the very thing that makes them feel like a freak. This is something that has been in them for years. Some transgendered people said they weren’t a boy (or girl) since 3 or 4 years old. In this day and age of the internet, you can look at anything your heart desires online. There is no boy in the world that is going to fake being a girl, merely to get into the girl’s bathroom, then having to face their friends who are laughing at him for dressing like a woman. Its definitely not worth THAT, for a nontransgendered to fake.

          Let me assure you that a transgendered female is going to hide her differentness and would never expose that differentness to another person in the locker room. If you woke up tomorrow in a woman’s body, I can assure you that you’re not going to flaunt it around, you would be feeling like a freak.

          • Tim says:

            Lee Ann….I would agree that you and I perhaps don’t think that it would not be worth all the trouble for a ‘transgendered’ person to go thru to just go to the opposite restroom or lockerroom. However, our society has decayed to the point that if you want to give those individuals that “right”, there are some out there that will use it for their own gratification. You said: “There is no boy in the world that is going to fake being a girl, merely to get into the girl’s bathroom, then having to face their friends who are laughing at him for dressing like a woman. Its definitely not worth THAT, for a nontransgendered to fake.” Just because you and I would not think someone will do it, doesn’t mean given the “legal” rights to use it they won’t. That is what I am against. what rights does my granddaughter or yours for that matter have for protection from those who choose to misuse those new “personal rights”. And there will be cases of such abuse. Do you want your granddaughter to ever be put in that situation? I think we walk a slippery path.
            Y’all are still missing the point, why do we need to keep giving “special” rights to each and every group or person who wants to be different, in the guise of “personal freedom” or “personal rights” and take away everyone elses “personal freedom” or “personal rights” not to be subjected to, or made uncomfortable with, that they don’t want. Why is one groups “rights” more important than the “norm” of society?

          • Ducky says:

            You’re forgetting that you also have your own special rights. If you want to visit a community college and preach the gospel, you have that special right. The Bill of Rights only states that you have the freedom of and from religion. No where does it say that you have the right to preach in public. Other “special laws” allow you to have that right.

  5. dsa says:

    How can you know if you’re hurting someone or not? There is no way to know all the effects of your actions. I think your basic desire is to do what ever you want. You justify this by claiming to allow everyone else to do whatever they want. It’s a simple matter of is man in charge or is God in charge.

    • Ducky says:

      I choose man (the majority vote and democracy) to be in charge. I don’t want someone else’s religious book dictating my life. And I people of other religions or beliefs (or lack of) would agree.

  6. Old wrestler says:

    My issue with this whole thing is this those of you who support this say a transgender person wouldn’t do this or that and no one would pretend to be a woman just to get into the woman’s bathroom. Do none of you watch the news about the number of sick perverts out there today? Do you honestly believe that none of them would try to use this as a way to get into a girls bathroom? Yes I know they can do that sort of thing now but why let them find a loop hole in the laws that will allow them to legally go into a bathroom so long as they claim they are really a woman trapped in a man’s body or for that matter a man trapped in a woman’s body?

  7. Lee Ann says:

    Okay, I have a question for you all . An example of a transgendered female, a woman appearing person, with nice nails, great haircut, nice clothes. And she has the choice of two bathrooms. One, with men standing at a urinal, and the other, with women in stalls. Another example: a transgendered male teenager. (who is physically a female, living as a male. Where do you all think this person should go? To a stall in the men’s bathroom, or scare the hell out of all the women in the women’s bathroom? It wouldn’t be safe for a transgendered female to enter a man’s bathroom. Probably get beat up, at the very least. A transgendered male going into a woman’s bathroom could cause all kinds of screaming and running. And unlike Walmart, that has a “family” bathroom, most schools and businesses have male and female bathrooms. If you had a child that was a transgendered female, where would you want your child to go? And don’t say it cannot happen to your family , because it can.

  8. Biker says:

    Seriously people….where is this world going? Ducky, le Ann, seriously already. Age old antage man vs man vs nature vs GOD. Today you talk freely for your freedoms but in the end of time…which will happen…..your free talking speech will come to an abrupt end. God reigns Supreme.

    • Dug says:

      That’s an awesome comeback…couldn’t have said it better myself. I have thought that for a long time, reading some of the stuff that people write. People get on their high horse and start spouting off without realizing that in the end, no matter who you are, where you live, what race you are, what religion you are or are not, how rich or how poor you are, the end is always the same, we all die. Then when it’s time for judgement, I hope you’re happy with your decisions because there will be no turning back.

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