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Obamacare Surcharge


Date posted - February 28, 2014


How do you feel about doing business with a business establishment that CLEARLY posts in its establishment that they will now be charging a surcharge on each purchase to cover the cost that Obamacare has costs its bottom line? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-27/obamacare-now-appearing-your-restaurant-bill What is enough? 1% 5% 10%? What places of business would you tolerate the surcharge? This is an example of a restaurant, how about groceries, clothing, movie, you get the picture.

 

Tim

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15 Responses to “Obamacare Surcharge”

  1. Dad says:

    Per CNN reports, the company employs around 500 people, about half of whom are full time employees. I’m willing to pay an extra $.20, as in the example, if those people have access to healthcare. But the company claims it is purely about numbers and not political. Posting signs in the restaurant regarding the surcharge and creating its own line item on the receipt sounds political to me.

    • Lee Ann says:

      They are charging a surcharge, yet the ACA hasn’t started charging any yet to businesses. So they are charging for something that is not in effect. I think that’s a little weird. So they’re just getting ahead?

      • Tim says:

        LeeAnn..you totally missed the point.

      • Free Man says:

        The Obamacare mandates have already kicked in, and the plans must now meet the standards. Did you think keeping kids on Mommy and Daddy’s insurance until they are 26 and getting rid of pre existing conditions was going to be free?

        The plan I have was cancelled but through a loophole I can keep it through this year. Even though I can keep it for a while the cost went up because of mandated coverage that had to be tacked on to it. This cost will be recouped through higher prices. Get ready for higher prices on all things to cover the Obamacare mandated minimum coverages.

        Remember;

        “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan-PERIOD.”

        “If you like your Dr., you can keep your Dr.”

        “My plan will lower health care premiums by $2,500.”

    • Tim says:

      Dad,
      So you are saying that if you go to a restaurant and pay your bill, and later you realize they added the tip (autograt) on without telling you, you would not be upset? This way at least we know why the prices have gone up and the establishment is taking care of its employees. You would rather just have the establishment raise its prices across the board rather than explain why things are going up?

      • Jon says:

        Those are totally different things, and you ought to know that. Are you upset when the cost of your meal doesn’t include an itemized list of costs of the food items comprising your meal, the pay of the employees, and the cost of the utilities? All of these things are rolled into the price of your food, and yet we don’t get that kind of itemized bill at ANY restaurant. The reason you’d be upset about not being told the gratuity is included is that unless you were a cheap person unaccustomed to the way restaurants works in the United States, you would probably still tip on top of your bill, and you’d probably tip the same percentage of the bill, so you would essentially be getting charged twice for that part of the service. Gratuities are an expected and customary part of the restaurant experience in this country, but they need to be clarified.

  2. biker says:

    Sure….someone has to pay. Fuel ser charges as example. No different with increase in minimum wage….burgers, grocery items, drought in California increase in milk etc….no matter what somehow, somewhere, someone is going to pay. I say get use it.

  3. Free Man says:

    As a business owner I can tell you that I pass on all increased costs that I incur to the ones purchasing my products.

    If my input costs rise because of Obamacare my prices rise to cover it.
    If my input costs rise because of a property tax increase my prices rise.
    If my income taxes go up I increase the price of my products.
    If postage increases so do the prices on my products.
    If my input costs rise because of government mandates and policies I raise the prices of my products to cover it,

    I do not show these increases on my invoices as a seperate line item, but you can bet they are in there. The same is true of all the other businesses out there competing in the marketplace. You may think you are getting something “Free” from the government, but it is you the end consumer who ultimately ends up paying for it.

    I applaud the business that is putting this on the receipts to show the people there are monetary consequences to government actions and mandates, but the vast majority will just raise prices and not show on the receipts and invoices why.

    • Bob says:

      So, what’s your point? What you are doing is nothing out of the ordinary. Any consumer with a half a brain knows the cost of your product covers your input costs.

      Is it smart for them to put this itemized list of costs on their receipt? No, I really don’t think so — it is more of a silly marketing technique that might cost them costumers.

      As Jon indicated, if an extra 25 cents is added to my bill in order for their employees to get access health insurance, then so be it. I’m fine with that. It is a universal right.

      They won’t have “Free Man” level insurance, but at least they’ll be covered. A proactive rather than reactive approach. You should be happy they take care of their ailments with preventative care rather than use the emergency room and further add to the costs of healthcare.

  4. Jon says:

    If it costs me an extra quarter to get a restaurant to provide insurance for their workers, then so be it.

    • Free Man says:

      I guess those that are “Benefitting” must have looked at the maximum out of pocket that they will have to pay if they ever really need “Insurance”, and thus the negative view of Obamacare. Or it could be that they thought it would be free, or that they would be able to keep their Dr. or hospital that they always had. It could be that they are afraid they will lose their job or get their hours cut because of Obamacare.

      “But Obamacare’s war on jobs goes beyond voluntary idleness. The administration is now conceding, inadvertently but unmistakably, Obamacare’s other effect — involuntary job loss. On Monday, the administration unilaterally postponed and weakened the employer mandate, already suspended through 2015, for yet another year.”

      “But doesn’t this undermine the whole idea of universal health coverage? Of course it does, but Obamacare was so structured that it is crushing small business and killing jobs. It creates a major incentive for small businesses to cut back to under 50 employees to avoid the mandate. Your business becomes a 49er by either firing workers or reducing their hours to below 30 a week. Because that doesn’t count as full time, you escape both the employer mandate to buy health insurance and the fine for not doing so.”

      “With the weakest recovery since World War II, historically high chronic unemployment and a shockingly low workforce participation rate, the administration correctly fears the economic consequences of its own law — and of the political fallout for Democrats as millions more Americans lose their jobs or are involuntarily reduced to part-time status.”

      “In the traditional opportunity society, government provides the tools — education, training and various incentives — to achieve the dignity of work and its promise of self-improvement and social mobility. In the new opportunity society, you are given the opportunity for idleness while living parasitically off everyone else. Why those everyone elses should remain at their jobs — hey! I wanna dance, too! — is a puzzle Carney has yet to explain.”

      “The honest liberal reply to the CBO report is that a disincentive to work is inherent in any means-tested government benefit. It’s the unavoidable price of helping those in need because for every new dollar you earn, you lose part of your subsidy and thus keep less and less of your nominal income.”

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-obamacares-war-on-jobs/2014/02/13/ed97c9c8-94eb-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html

      I have a catostrophic plan (Which will be cancelled at the end of this year because of Obamacare) and I use it as insurance is meant to be and not as a pre-paid medical plan that pays the majority of every small thing that I may need to see a Dr. for. I have this plan in case of a major accident or major medical emergency, and it has a max out of pocket capped at $12,5000. Above that the plan pays it all, but that was not good enough for Obama and the democrat party. My plan needs free mammograms, pre-natal, substance abuse coverage (one of the most expensive medical services) and a host of other coverages I neither want or need that will make the premiums rise. I guess this is where they get the title of the linked article about rich whites not liking Obamacare. That title does seem to bring up the “Race Card”, does it not?

      From the linked article in Timmay’s post.

      “This gets at the idea that Obamacare is, in a way, redistributive—it’s a transfer of wealth from the healthy to the unhealthy. If you’re healthy, you might not have “needed” health insurance before, but you’re now required to have it or pay a fine. And among those who already had insurance, 4.7 million people received letters saying that their private insurance had been cancelled in the wake of the law’s implementation, mostly because the law puts new requirements on what health plans must cover.”

      “But keep in mind that “healthy” and “unhealthy” are categories that hinge on fate. You can get hit by a bus even if you never touch potato chips and run marathons every year. So you can think of this as a transfer from the lucky to the unlucky, as Jonathan Cohn put it. Rich white people (a.k.a. historically lucky people) are not happy about this.”

      There is that pesky race card again, Rich white historically lucky people. I guess they don’t think I built my business, and that I never had to work long hours with little sleep to get where I am now while the majority were sitting in front of the tv bellyaching about “The Man” keeping them down. Yep, I just woke up one morning and decided to start a business, and the next week I was on easy street raking in the dough. That’s how it works with us Rich white people of historical privilage.

      I see plenty of “Poor” families with Harleys, boats, campers and new trucks. I also see a lot of them take expensive vacations and spend their EITC refunds on new gadgets and toys instead of starting an emergency fund for unplanned emergencies. It all comes down to priotities and living within your means, which the “Poor” don’t do and that is what keeps them in poverty with their hands out.

      Obamacare was sold as “Free” insurance for the poor, and the ones who had insurance were assured the premiums would drop $2,500 once Obamacare was enacted. Niether is true, and the poor are either going on Medicaid or getting an Obamacare plan with high deductables that they will not be able to pay. They are also getting their hours cut and losing their jobs. This is why the negative view of Obamacare in the survey.

  5. independent says:

    I remember the fiest time I saw a fuel surcharge on a bill. What a cop out for not increasing prices. Same thing with a surcharge for health insurance. Bussinesses that add surcharges are afraid of increasing prices. If you are afraid of increasing your prices to cover your added cost because your competion is not and you add a surcharge you are a poor bussiness owner and should not be in bussiness. If you need to hide a price increase in a surcharge close your doors and let honest bussiness owners in.

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