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Robertson’s Anti Gay Comments


Date posted - December 19, 2013


What do you think of Phil Robertson’s anti-gay comments in GQ magazine and his suspension from the Duck Dynasty show? If an openly gay person made comments about heterosexual people would they be held to the same standards?

 

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91 Responses to “Robertson’s Anti Gay Comments”

  1. Doug says:

    I think Phil Robertson’s 1st Amendment right to comment about his personal opinions, has been quashed by the PC police, and wouldn’t blame the family a bit, if they cancelled recording any more episodes.

    I fully support the Robertson’s in whatever they decide to do.

  2. yardman says:

    Its too bad that people that are on Tv are held to a Higher Standard. A&E pulled him so maybe I will quite watching anything on A&E. I am tired of the double standard, these people put their pants on one leg at time just like I do…. I wish there were more shows where they openly talk about the Bible instead of all the crap on public TV that all they so is talk sex

  3. been around the block says:

    to quote Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal “its a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended”

    • Jon says:

      No, it’s a messed-up situation when a governor steps up for these ugly words from Robertson, although I agree with you that A&E overreacted and Miley Cyrus needed to be held accountable for that disaster.

  4. Lee Ann says:

    I support the first amendment and believe he should be allowed to voice his views on anything he wants. However, there was a lot of what he said that was not allowed to be said on TV, even on cable shows. Maybe expressing his views while being respectful would have been a better choice. If he had said he didn’t believe in same sex marriage, the Bible should be taken seriously in our country and we should bring our country back to honest American values, I would have clapped for him. However, he was disrespectful about a lot of people, and used a lot of slurs that are unacceptable, both about gays and other races.

    • Doug says:

      That’s right. He needs to go to PC school to tidy up his opinion before he speaks to the super-sensitive folks.

      • Jon says:

        I suppose if you made an anti-gay rant and someone called you a bigot, you might get a little sensitive too.

      • Jon says:

        No he just needs to have some respect. Had his comments stopped with his religious views, that may have been different. But they didn’t.

        • Doug says:

          Exactly how would you know where his religious beliefs begin and end?

          The LGBT community can have their parades, protests, demonstrations, etc., but cannot accept an opposing viewpoint?

          Those of you who wish to silence him, should consider the possibility that the bigotry is coming from your end.

          Btw, it didn’t look like a “rant” to me, but if that’s how you’d like to color it, go ahead.

          • Jon says:

            Actually, he has every right to say what he said. All I’m saying is that ANYTHING you say comes with consequences, even if those consequences are other people misinterpreting what you say.

          • Jon says:

            Just so you know, but I suppose you’d have to read my other comments, what I said is that he should be able to say what he wants and I don’t think he should have been suspended, but thank you for making an assumption about me and my attempts to “silence” him. What I would say is that rights come with responsibilities and that free speech also means that others can respond to what people say. That means that an CABLE CHANNEL carrying a show has the freedom to take action when a member of one of their casts says something they find to be offensive. It means that others can express their opinions when the cable channel takes action saying how they find the suspension an overreach. Free speech is alive and well in this issue, but I’d like you to kindly read comments without interpretations that are actually incorrect, thank you.

          • Doug says:

            If that’s what you wanted to say, fine. I don’t have the time to be reading through all of your posts, to decipher the meaning behind the one directed toward me.

            Thanks for the additional charge, to clear it all up for me.

          • NWIA Resident says:

            “I don’t have the time to be reading through all of your posts, to decipher the meaning behind the one directed toward me.”

            And there you have it. Right there is the EXACT reason Phil’s being taken apart, because no one took the time to LISTEN to what is was he actually ALL said, before condeming the man.
            If you don’t have the time, then why continue to post about something you obvioulsy had no idea what he meant. I knew what Jon meant by reading the ENTIRE posting. Not by skimming thru it, and ASSUMING.

          • Doug says:

            NWIA Resident:

            I didn’t condemn Phil Robertson.

            In a couple of days, I’ll post something in response to you, on another topic. Be sure to watch for it.

          • NWIA Resident says:

            Doug… You did it again… Where in my comment did I say you condemn the man?… Read my post again… Can you tell me Where it is that I said you condemn the man?… I was comparing your lack of looking at EVERYTHING another poster said, before posting your comment, and assuming, and compared to what happened to Phil… If you ain’t got the time to READ the entire post before making a post in response, Why post?… JUST LIKE if the people that are chastizing Phil, Couldn’t take the time to actually read his ENTIRE post, NOT JUST BITS AND PIECES, what are they doin’ stickin’ their nose in to what he said, IF THEY DO NOT, know EVERYTHING that was said… Thats EXACTLY waht you did, have done, and are continuing to STILL do… Let me guess… And hey… Go ahead and post on another topic… I’m here on this one…

    • Tim says:

      LeeAnn…that is total BS!!! What “Honest American Values are you eluding to?? What Bible do you read that supports same sex marriage. Lee Ann mine does not!! Phil Robertson said nothing on HIS show that was not nor is not excepted on any other show, oh, except, they want his Praying to stop!!! A&E has been trying for months to get the Robertsons to change what they portray as they believe..shame on A&E!! This country and many even on here can say and blast the ethics and beliefs of those who are conservative, and get by with it. And by the way, they are usually the loudest and most vocal!! To @$#! with those that are offended!! If you want to change the total society values, you better be able to take the disrespect you will get, heck, your lifestyle is disrespectful to me, but that seems to not count for a darn thing, only your ‘feelings’ matter!! If what A&E has done to the conservatives and (especially some on here think they can do also) can try to control what they want about their views on gay and lesbians and anti gun, anti Christmas, anti abortion, and even gun registry, then KIWA should now, according to A&E, sensor anyone they want to on here!! Where is this crap about giving the minority more rights than the majority ever going to stop!! Regardless of what a few on this forum (and you now who you are) that get vocal on this issue say, you are still in the minority!! Why is it that the morality of the human race now is under scrutiny and ultimatum of those wanting to live different, under the guise of “equality”? It seems even in the last 6 months some on here have become very vocal about their “personal rights” or “equal rights” to do and live anyway they want, but heaven forbid if a person doesn’t agree, they will be labeled closed minded, racist, stupid, and more!! Frankly I am sick and tired of listening to each and everyone on here and other forums that think just because they think their lifestyle of being gay or lesbian should superced those that believe what has been the stable and framework of the human society, in the name of freedom and rights. It just is not so!! I say go Phil Robertson!!!

      • Lee Ann says:

        Boy, so much to rant about. I can’t comment on it all, so many topics!

        Here’s the one that stood out in this. “Your lifestyle is disrespectful of me.” How in the world does my lifestyle disrespect you? You don’t even KNOW my lifestyle. And even if you did know my lifestyle how does that make it your business? Your rights surround you and as long as you do no harm, your rights extend only until they reach my space. As long as I do no harm, I fail to understand how I am being disrespectful of you? I have never insulted or attacked you, or your lifestyle, why do you think you can do that to me?

        Your Bible is against same sex marriage? Which chapter and verse? There are parts in Leviticus that you can quote, however, all they are saying there is to be different than the Greeks and Romans, the Levites should do differently. My Bible and MY Jesus say to love one another, do not judge others, and take care of the poorest among us, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than a rich man can enter heaven. If you believe Leviticus, I bet you have a rough time going to Red Lobster, wearing Polyester, playing football or going to a Barbeque. If you can’t pick and choose your verses, you need to quit rounding the corners on your beard. Your wife shouldn’t ever be cutting her hair, its a woman’s glory, you know. Women should not speak out in Church. She should cover her hair.

        I choose to go by the New Testament, even tho it was written about a hundred years after Jesus died, there is no negativity in the NT, Jesus never condemned anyone, he believed in love and taking care of others. What a Socialist!

        My view is that we are certainly allowed to speak our opinions in public. But I believe we can be respectful of others, not be insulting to others. If the only way one can opine in public is by being disrespectful, they need to learn a new way of speaking. I have read what Mr. Robertson said, and he went on and on about black people in the South, and described in detail that couldn’t be on TV what gay people do in private, in big detail. Why did he need to do that?

        Your ways are fine for you. Because I believe differently than you do, does not mean I am immoral and filled with sin. I just have a different viewpoint than you do. And I am allowed to speak too, right? As long as I am respectful and polite, I believe I can say whatever I believe, same as you.

        • Aaron says:

          Here are your chapter and verses that aren’t in your Bible.
          “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9–10).

          “But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted” (1 Timothy 1:8–11).

        • Lee Ann says:

          You all must use the American Revised Bible, because the word homosexual wasn’t used at all until the 19th century.

          Like I said before, there are so many rules and laws about seafood, pork, rounding someone’s beard, wearing two different threads of cloth, etc. do we all pick and choose which rules we want to follow? Aaron, do you round the corners of your beard? Bev, do you cut your hair? Do you cover your head when you enter a Church and cannot speak in Church? You know, women are not supposed to speak in Church.

          I’ve already said that I support his right to say what he wishes. But he takes responsibility for what he says. If he gets fired because of what he says, that’s not infringing on free speech. What the first amendment means is that the government is not going to enter his house, throw him to the ground , pepper spray him in the face and take him off to jail, where he will be held without a trial. It has nothing to do with being suspended for what he has said.

          Because the US is not a theocracy, why do we get into these debates about religion being used to run this country. The US does use, “In God We Trust.” but nowhere in the Constitution or Amendments do we have anything about Jesus, or being a Christian country. The founding fathers used “God” , but all religions that originally came to this country were nondenominational, Even the Muslims believe in the same God. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all have the same God.

          So its kind of getting off the topic of allowing Phil to say what he wants. And I do support his right to say what he wants, but he should try to be more respectful of others.

          • Old wrestler says:

            you claim it’s his right to say what he wants and that you support that but then in the same sentence you say he needs to say what he wants in a different way. So Le Ann you support his right or you don’t? If you support his right to say what he wants how do you then say he needs to say it differently? That’s no different then you saying people are picking and choosing their bible beliefs that they are following, you’re picking and choosing how the right to say what he wants is viewed. You’re fine with him saying what he wants, so long as it’s how you believe it should be said, that isn’t really giving him the freedom of speech.

          • Lee Ann says:

            Let’s pick and choose which words we want to hear, shall we? I said I think he has every right to say what he wants to say, period. But as my personal views are I think people should be more respectful of each other’s views and beliefs. I see no confusion in that post.

          • Old wrestler says:

            How is not confusion you say he has the right to say as he wants but you think he needs to be say things in a way that is more respectful, so lets try to think about what your saying. You support his right to say what he wants however he wants to say it but you personally don’t agree with him saying it unless he is respectful. So how exactly are you supporting him saying what he wants if you don’t agree with him saying it how he wants to say it?

            Let’s look at it in a different way if I were to say I support a woman’s right to have an abortion but personally I think it’s wrong, how exactly I am supporting it? Your statement contradicts itself just as mine would.

    • Marker Boy says:

      Excuse me Le Ann, but I do not think that he discriminated ANYONE!

      Direct Quote from Phil:
      “I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”

      • Lee Ann says:

        That’s not the entire interview. I think its great that Mr. Robertson is religious. It makes him happy. Not a problem to me.

        The quote you show was what he said AFTER the publicity over what he said about black people in the South and what gay couples do in bed. Which they couldn’t put on regular TV and could not read the whole thing on cable.

        • marker boy says:

          I did read the entire interview, Le Ann. It did not discriminate anyone. try reading again! A simple state of opinion. if someone in sheldon said that to some one else it would probably get a round of laughs.

          • Bob says:

            Again, he is not being punished for exercising his right to speak. He is being held accountable for what he says in public.

            Just because it would be a “subject of laughter” within a group from Sheldon does not mean they shouldn’t be held accountable for what they say in public. If we didn’t hold people accountable for their bigotry, then the ignorance wouldn’t stop and we would continue down the path of discrimination against groups unlike our own. He may not have directly discriminated against someone, but boy did he make some gross generalizations about groups of people and showed his true colors.

            Is that what the Bible wants us to do? I’m confused.

    • Free Man says:

      Lee Ann,

      Think about that response the next time you hear the left call someone a “Tea Bagger”. I’m sure you know the vile, disgusting act that it is.

      • Lee Ann says:

        I know what that means. And it is rude and not a nice comment. I have never used it. Even tho we are fairly anonymous online, I pride myself on not being mean or crude toward others. I try to be as nice online as I am in person, even tho I am the only one that knows or cares, I would know.

        Nobody is saying that only the Democrats are respectful, nobody is saying only the Conservatives are respectful. There are rude crude people throughout this country. You cannot blame it on one set of people in the world.

        • Free Man says:

          Lee Ann,

          I do respect you for being civil even though we do not agree on policy. I was talking about the ones on the left who do use those derisive and hateful words.

  5. Archer resident says:

    This really has nothing to do with his first ammendment right, it was not a goverment decision, but a decision of A&E. Yes he should be held accountable for what he says, he is a celebrity, and should watch what he says, it comes with the lifestyle. If A&E dosen’t agree with what he said and asked him to take it back they have a right to cut him. I for one WILL continue to watch A&E and Maybe he should consider his words before speaking them. Gay rights are a huge issue right now. They do deserve the equal rights for marrage/ Divorce/ Children/ ect….But again thats my opnion. And im not on T.V. Everyone has different views and if it doesn’t affect you, then why complain

    • An Idea says:

      My opinion is if you can’t make babies together (if you are the same sex) you shouldn’t be able to try to raise a baby. You made that choice when you picked your partner.

      • Lee Ann says:

        I can’t make babies……..with anybody. So I guess that must mean I cannot marry and cannot adopt?

        • NWIA Resident says:

          NO… what he means is a man and a man TOGETHER, or a WOMAN AND A WOMAN together, CAN NOT PROCREATE. If you adopted, you obviously didn’t MAKE that child did you? Because if you created that child, then why would you have to adopt him?

  6. Old wrestler says:

    So let he’s allowed to have an opinion and say it but only so long as it doesn’t hurt anyone feelings. The US and all it’s PC garbage needs to end, if he doesn’t like something and wants to say how he feels about it that’s his right. He said nothing illegal, he merely said something that people didn’t like because it offended them. He has the same rights as the rest of us just because he is a TV personality he is supposed to change how he speaks because it might not be the right way to say it.

  7. Heracles says:

    Just so everyone knows, there really isn’t any government involved with this. He is allowed to say what he wants, but A&E is equally allowed to fire him for it if they please. The 1st amendment has nothing to do with this whether you agree with him or not.

  8. Jay says:

    Okay, let’s start from the beginning. I’ll go slow so I don’t lose anyone.

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH means one has the freedom to say what they want without the fear of government intervention (jail, prosecution, etc). Phil absolutely exercised his right to free speech. I am exercising my right right now. You exercise that right every time you complain about some Obama policy. We don’t go to jail for complaining about the president or our beliefs.

    However, Phil is not some ordinary citizen. He works with a network that requires you to sign a contract. If you don’t know, when you sign a contract with a network, you basically sign over your life and your likeness. Meaning, they own you. You are technically an employee. Therefore, if you do something that the brand does not want affiliated with them, they have the right to fire you.

    Phil’s comments weren’t simply just stating his beliefs, he took it to the next level. It’s offensive to both gay and straight people to term gays in the same sense as terrorists, etc. All this shows is his narrow mindedness, which is something the network clearly wants nothing to do with. To be honest, I’m really not surprised that a member of a show about rednecks would say something so blankly ignorant, but hey… Not my problem.

    Think of it this way. What if he made similar remarks about women? The Bible encourages that women are less than a man and should be treated as such. What if he made statements like “women belong in the kitchen” or “My beliefs tell me women shouldn’t be able to work” or “Women shouldn’t be able to enjoy sex, you’re only here to procreate” (yes the bible says that). There would be outcry! What difference does it make if it’s against gays or women… Either way, it is offensive and something the network has every right to distance themselves from.

    As a Christian myself who loves our gay brothers and sisters, it makes me sick that most of my Christian fellowship hides behind their religion as an excuse for their hate. I’ve seen so many comments about how the Muslims caused this or how gays should be the ones who change… Seriously, where is the love? You all care more about some hick who has more money than you ever will more than actual people who live in this society who are hurting (mainly because of YOUR hate). I pray you’ll all be able to open your minds up and stop spreading hate. Yes, telling gays they are less than you and live a life of sin is wrong. You may think it, but you don’t have to say it. Is it kind? Is it true? Is it necessary? Think of these things before you spout off your opinions. Stop using your religion as a high horse above the rest of society. People kill themselves over comments like these on this forum.. You NEVER know who is listening. Focus on YOU and your relationship with God and stop concerning yourself with who is having sex with who or whatever it is. Stay in your own lane, but preach love.

    • An Idea says:

      Not voicing our opinions enough is whats wrong this society. Biting our tongues and talking behind peoples backs does no good. Speak up and be a man.

    • Couldn't Agree More says:

      I could not agree more with this comment. THANK YOU for your insight. Quit hiding behind your religion and do what we know in our hearts is right. LOVE your neighbor; don’t judge them. YOU are not the final judge. Don’t take what you want from the bible and leave the rest. Thanks Jay!

  9. Big Brother says:

    I think Phil or any Robertson is going to say what they feel, no matter what A&E trys to dictate. It’s pretty evident that Phil is the Robertson that could walk away from the show the quickest. Maybe he’s using it as an avenue for the family to get out of the reality TV business.

  10. Old wrestler says:

    It’s his opinion if it offends you don’t listen to it don’t watch the show and move on with your lives. Did Phil Robertson saying this kill anyone? Did it cause anyone to have anything more then hurt feelings? Who cares what someone who has no affect on your life says? He has no more ability to affect your lives then the man in the moon. He made a comment, people threw a fit over it he has been reprimanded for it. In a weeks time it will be out of the news in 6 months it will be a distant memory and in less then 5 years it’s not going to be remembered by 95% of society.

    • Jon says:

      I agree with this. I don’t know who was the first to express their offense at Robertson’s commentary, but I can tell you that there are many gay people who don’t honestly care about what this person has to say. I think the only issue that people may take is that words like those uttered by Robertson are the EXACT type of rhetoric that has been used to persecute gay people and justify crimes and violence against them, to render them insecure with who they are and forcing them into hiding, and at times has led them to commit suicide. That is why words like his sometimes cut to the heart of gay people and make them sensitive to it. What is surprising is that we as Christians simply allow that type of rhetoric to go unchecked..that we like to point out the shortcomings of others, that we like to tell people they are not worthy, that they are going to hell, but utterly fail in demonstrating love and service to others. Now, it is easy to point to the “other” when you know NO ONE who has gone through these issues, when you have NO experience of gay people and therefore find it easy to condemn “them.”

  11. Debby says:

    People have the thinnest skin anymore.

  12. charles says:

    that’s pretty messed up; if society keeps punishing people for expressing their believes complete censorship will occur. Listen your in a room with 20 people and don’t like the conversation next to you, what do you do? Flip the table and ban the guy from the street for an indefinite time, naa you pick yourself up and move

    If you don’t like what’s being said or disagree peoples comments, turn the page; guys entitled to an opinion.

  13. meets says:

    I agree 110% with TIM. I agree 110% with Phil. Good for him to state what is right and wrong in this country. 1st ammendment …thats just policy making.

  14. Jon says:

    You know what? It was his right to say what he wanted to say and hold whatever beliefs he wants to hold and however he wants to disparage or hold certain groups of people in contempt. We all have the right to free speech and expression. What we don’t always seem to grasp, though, is that our rights come with responsibilities and with consequences. How might someone who disagrees with what we have to say react? How might someone who finds them hateful, disrespectful, and troubling respond? Why is it that the subject of what happens in the private lives of gay people gets so much speculation among those who seemingly disapprove of it and yet are at the same times experts in it? I wish that A&E would have just left this alone because all it’s done is made him into some sort of martyr. Well, golly, he can’t say disrespectful things about gay people? That’s his right. They should have just let the ugliness of his ORIGINAL speech stand. And it was ugly…and not something you would consider coming out of the mouth of someone who purports to be a good Christian. But, I suppose we all fall short of the glory of God and we are all sinners. It’s just about time that we all had a bit more respect for each other.

    • Tim says:

      Jon…
      You seem to be able to quote the Bible very well. Good for you. To me however, it seems sometimes you only quote those portions that suit your needs. To me it seems some are taken out of context. I believe you DO need to take the Bible in its entirety! Understanding the difference between the Old Testament teachings and the New Testament teachings can sometimes become very confusing. But each has its own purpose, reason, and teachings. As far as your last comment, ” But, I suppose we all fall short of the glory of God and we are all sinners. It’s just about time that we all had a bit more respect for each other.” I don’t think you are wrong that we are all sinners, However, I do think that it is not so much that we disrespect those that have different beliefs than our own PERSONALLY, I think we (at least myself) may have disrespect for the actions we see in their lives, in this case the gay and lesbian lifestyle. It is no different than someone who has committed a crime he/she may have been a great person, however I have no respect for the crime they did. I am sure many who disagree with me strongly, are great people. I still may have that lack of respect for certain actions and lifestyles that I see, that said I don’t necessarily lack respect for them PERSONALLY. Sometimes those who have different views from others when disagreed with take it very personal. Perhaps we all need to learn how to handle differences of opinion. (including myself at times)
      That brings us back to Phil… I don’t think (of course I am not in Phil’s mind) he has the hatred and disrespect that many who support the gay and lesbian lifestyle, think he has for them PERSONALLY, I think it is the lifestyle he dislikes or has no respect for.

      • Jon says:

        I don’t think anyone who has any understanding of what it means to be gay would refer to it as a lifestyle. When did you choose the heterosexual lifestyle? People who are gay face tremendous pressure NOT to be gay, in part because of rhetoric like that of Phil Robertson. They are told they are going to hell, they are beat up, they are teased, they try to deny and hide who they are. Why would anyone “choose” such a “lifestyle”? The fact is that people are gay or they are not. This is not a “lifestyle” choice that is made. The fact is that human sexuality is quite complex, and it is affected by a number of factors in development and environment.

        • Tim says:

          OK. So you are saying we don’t understand the LBGT….. I wanted to say lifestyle, but you say that it is not, so what would or should we call it?

      • Jon says:

        The idea of “hate the sin and love the sinner” is a difficult line to cross. Let’s remember that before Jesus asked the sinner to repent, he ate with them, he met with them at their level. Therefore, he did not equate a gay person in a committed relationship to a pedophile, someone engaged in bestiality, someone who commits adultery, or any other derogatory and sinful acts. He met with them as they are. That is a HUGE difference, and one lost on many who use the mantra to hide behind their own ability to practice self-righteousness.

        • Tim says:

          Jon.
          You are correct about Christ being with sinners. He came for sinners, of which we all are. I do recall just one example where the “righteous” people brought an adulteroous woman to Him, He told them that “he who is without sin should cast the first stone” they all left. What did Christ do? He told her, her sin was forgiven. However, He did not stop there, He went further, He also told her: “go and sin no more”. So, therefore if He said that, can we deduce that He felt she had sinned? Did He hate the ‘sin’, but yet felt love for the sinner? What was His example He was setting ?
          I need you to help me understand your statement: “Therefore, he did not equate a gay person in a committed relationship to a pedophile, someone engaged in bestiality, someone who commits adultery, or any other derogatory and sinful acts.” What is that ‘HUGE’ difference you are refering to? I believe to Christ, a sin was and is a sin. Do you think one sin is of greater or lesser importance than another? And what part of your bible did you draw that from? I am confused.

      • Jon says:

        As far as quoting the Bible goes and taking parts and not taking other parts, I think that historical perspective is always important when understanding the Bible. Otherwise, you must support the practice of slavery, or of having wives be property and passed on to the brother if the husband dies, or you must take seriously prohibitions against eating shellfish, pork, and blended cloths. You might say, well, that is Old Testament law, and doesn’t apply, but that is making excuses, since Jesus clearly says that not one letter of the law is abolished, so we have some interpretation to do there and decisions to make about what is essential and what is not. Similarly, it is important to understand the historical context of the way homosexuality was understood in each period of Biblical history. In the Old Testament, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah has little to do with the homosexual act itself, but in the profaning of hospitality laws by forcing dominance over the visiting angels. In the Old Testament, the pagan tribes who lived in the same country practiced a form of ritual homosexual acts as part of their religious observances. Thus, it was a way for them to separate themselves from the dominant culture. In the New Testament, Greek and Roman society often practiced a form of homosexuality whereby men would take on apprentices and there was a form of sexual bond frequently practiced in the culture. There were also public baths where men would become intimate with men. However, in most cases, these men were MARRIED to women. That is a major difference between homosexuality in the modern era and these cultures. You will note that there is little said about the lesbian relationship in the Bible, probably because of the secondary position of women throughout much of biblical times, where women were valued, but often seen as property and not on equal footing with men. While discounting verses of the Bible is problematic, so is accepting the Bible without a real understanding of the cultures, times, and places out of which the Bible emerged.

    • Tim says:

      To follow up…..
      This was Phil’s response to being let go!
      Robertson has issued a statement in response:

      “I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.

      “However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”

  15. Differently Abled says:

    Being disabled, I take offense to anyone referring to me as ” crippled” while hiding behind the First Amendment. If that makes me thin-skinned, then so be it. Phil Robertson is a millionaire with a Master’s Degree in Education, concentration in English. He surely could’ve been more selective in his words of choice. Especially someone like himself who knows and appreciates the works of Shakespeare. Et tu, Phil?

    • Differently Abled says:

      How about you march into your boss’ office tomorrow, tell him/her to take their job and shove it. Let me know how well your First Amendment Right worked for you.

  16. Free Man says:

    It sounds like they want Phil to become a closeted Christian.

  17. Ashshade says:

    Andrew Sullivan, while denouncing Robertson’s remarks as a gay journalist, makes a fascinating argument against A&E:

    “Robertson is a character in a reality show. He’s not a spokesman for A&E any more than some soul-sucking social x-ray from the Real Housewives series is a spokeswoman for Bravo. Is he being fired for being out of character? Nah. He’s being fired for staying in character – a character A&E have nurtured and promoted and benefited from. Turning around and demanding a Duck Dynasty star suddenly become the equivalent of a Rachel Maddow guest is preposterous and unfair.

    “What Phil Robertson has given A&E is a dose of redneck reality. Why on earth would they fire him for giving some more?”

  18. Bev says:

    All of Romans chapter one.

  19. interesting says:

    Video has emerged of Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson verbally attacking gay people before he became the star of the hit show, it’s claimed.

    Footage has purportedly surfaced showing the 67-year-old saying homosexuals are “ruthless,” “full of murder,” “arrogant” and “liable to invent ways of doing evil.”

    “They bow down to birds, animals and reptiles and each other and the first thing you see coming out of them is gross sexual immorality,” he adds, preacher-like, on the clip.

    Filmed three years ago, the recording came to light Friday as the reality celeb faced an increasing storm over comments made for the Jan. 2014 issue of GQ magazine.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/duck-dynasty-star-verbally-attacks-gay-people-newly-emerged-video-article-1.1553737#ixzz2o22pwG27

  20. sassy says:

    Those of you who are offended by Phil, STOP using “like or dislike” of gay marriage as the litmus test for measuring someone’s quality of Christianity. Liberalism and conservatism are ways of life, not political party designations. Alot of people in NW IA are conservative in their financial views – but also in their life views, i.e. less government, more of your own money in your pocket, more personal responsibility, it doesn’t take a “village”, but hopefully BOTH a mom and dad who do whatever it takes to raise, support, and provide for the family.

    The slippery slope of “redefining marriage” is beginning. Many people who are conservative don’t care what people do within their home – but the gay community has had an agenda and it has come a long way over the last few decades. Civil Unions could have been enough to provide them with “everything” they wanted except officially calling it “marriage”. Now in ND:

    A man can be married to a man in another state, and now has the go
    ahead to marry a woman in without having to divorce the man first:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/16/North-Dakota-Allows-Man-In-Same-Sex-Marriage-To-Also-Marry-Woman

    And in UT – polygamy is ruled legal –

    http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/r14/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/1217/Utah-polygamy-Mormon-church-explains-why-it-was-allowed

    What are other UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF REDEFINING MARRIAGE yet to come? I don’t know, but I know there will be more!

    • Lee Ann says:

      It has always been that way. People always define marriage in their own ways. If two people believe it is religious to get married, that’s their belief. If two people believe in going to the courthouse, getting married by a judge, and then having a blow out party in a bar, they are still married in this country. That doesn’t necessarily mean its involved in any religious views. If you believe that marriage is a religious idea, that’s fine. If you think marriage is a legal contract in our country, that’s fine too.

      Polygamy? the LDS are going backward in history. They were doing polygamy in the 1800s. I think as long as everyone is of age, knows what they’re getting in to and the whole group of them and kids are able to support the family, and get fair but not favorite status in taxes, I don’t care one way or the other. I figure there aren’t many modern women that would want to marry into a polygamy family. And a man with four wives has a really tough job trying to keep four women happy. LOL.

      If your marriage is religious, good for you. But just because you believe that way, does not mean everybody does. And people that do not believe that way have as many rights as you do. So the best plan is to give everyone equal rights and let them all live as their conscience leads them.

  21. Ducky says:

    Let me get this straight… so someone should be fired for making a crude joke about Sarah Palin and her mouth being defecated in, but it’s wrong to fire a man who compares same-sex couples to terrorists and beastiality?

  22. Al says:

    Phil Robertson for President!!

  23. The Dude says:

    That’s just like your opinion man.

    • free ride says:

      2 months ago Phil had stated that he was not going to renew his contract and would no longer be on the show.This whole thing is a attention gimic.

  24. Freedom Fighter says:

    Why is it so incomprehensible that a Christian can call something a sin and not hate the person? Murder is sin, homosexual acts are sin, stealing is sin, taking the Lord’s name in vain is sin…..and on and on. This is true because the Bible says it is true. Does that mean that as Christians we persecute murderers, homosexuals, thieves, and those who swear? No, we go to the brother and with love point out the sin and pray for their repentance. Because I say homosexuality is wrong doesn’t mean I am a bigot and ‘not living in these times’.

    • Lee Ann says:

      Just because you say homosexuality is wrong, does not make you a bigot. You have a right to your opinion, just like Phil does. (however he did go on and on about the sex acts between homosexuals and talking about his views about race and segregation). You have a right to your opinion. However, not everybody in this country believes the same as you do. Everybody has a right to live their life with their conscience and their own morality. So I say we give everybody the same rights, and let their conscience guide them. As long as they do no harm, and they don’t intrude on your rights, they should be allowed to live the way they wish.

      This country is based on Deism, but not Christianity. Homosexuality, you say, is a sin in the Bible (there are various different ideas about this), but our country does not go by Evangelical law, just like it does not go by Shariah Law.

  25. Lee Ann says:

    Everybody is in agreement, that Phil should be allowed to say what he said in an interview. Yet, because we got off on different tangents about marriage equality, religion, etc. its gone on for 60+ posts. Wow!

    I wonder how many people would be happy with a major sports figure, a quarterback at the Super Bowl, doing his interviews with chewing tobacco in his mouth, “Just a little bit between the cheek and gum.” Remember those commercials? Because celebrities influence people in our country (and the entire world), I wouldn’t want a teen growing up to be influenced by Phil, believing as he does, or seeing a quarterback chewing tobacco, either one. What people say has consequences in our world. Whether it affects a young teen worrying about his attraction to other people, or wanting to grow up to be just like a quarterback in the Super Bowl. I think we need to be a bit more conservative about what we say in front of large groups of people.

    • Old wrestler says:

      So because it might hurt someone’s feelings we aren’t allowed to say what we feel? You keep saying how he has the right to say it but then you turn around and say he should only say it if it’s said in a way that it won’t hurt people’s feelings. So once again Lee Ann explain to me how you can support something but only so long as it’s done in the way that you think it should be done? That’s not really supporting something it’s supporting it when it works for you to support it.

  26. Tim says:

    Here is an interesting statistic…..
    More Americans have shown support for Phil Robertson in the last 24 hours, than the total number of people that have signed up for Obamacare in the past 3 months!

    • Ducky says:

      You just proved LeeAnn’s point that Americans are heavily influenced by celebrities. Am I the only one who hasn’t seen this show, Duck Dynasty?

      • Old wrestler says:

        Is it heavily influenced by celebrities or is it just that they support him? Can you say for sure that if this story had been about Joe from down the street that there wouldn’t have been just as much support? Yes because it was a star who said it the media attention for it is huge and had it been someone from Sheldon making this comment we would have never heard about it other then here on KIWA. I think it has less to do with him being a star and more to do with people supporting a belief.

    • Everyone else says:

      That’s not really a statistic, Tim. Unless you want to back it up with some numbers. And even when you do come up with your numbers, all it will show is that the Facebook gurus are better programmers than the ACA programmers, which in this argument really means nothing. So your statement is not really “interesting” since it lacks relevance, nor is it a “statistic”.

  27. Tim says:

    Have you heard the joke about the family of duck hunters that took down an entire billion-dollar TV network?
    It’s no joke. A&E just stepped in duck poop. They made the biggest mistake in the history of Hollywood – they showed us how leftists in Hollywood (and D.C.) really think.
    That has to make tyrants and control freaks like Obama, Hollywood, and the leftist thought police scared to death.
    Something amazing is happening in America. An awakening. More people showed support for the star of “Duck Dynasty” in 24 hours than signed up for Obamacare in its first few months. Which means at this point in time, Americans are starting to come to the conclusion we’d be better off with a duck hunter in the White House than Obama. Heck, we couldn’t possibly do any worse.
    In other words, the tables have turned and middle America is waking up from the shock, disarray, intimidation and distractions of the Obama years. It’s amazing to even say it out loud, but middle America, conservatives, and…gulp…Christians are coming out of the closet.
    A duck hunter has inspired us.
    What they are saying out loud is, “We have rights too. We deserve free speech too. We’ve had enough of your oppression and intolerance towards our values and beliefs- and we’re NOT going to take it anymore.”
    A&E claims the “indefinite suspension” (ie firing) of Phil Robertson is about “branding.” What they are insinuating is they couldn’t possibly allow a close-minded, Neanderthal gay basher to remain as the face of their billion dollar brand.
    Well guess what? The new brand for A&E is “the Christian-hating, Bible-bashing, intolerant TV network.”
    Sorry, but that brand won’t sell. The brand of intolerance towards Christians, in a nation still dominated by Christians who actually believe in God, guns and the Bible, is not a viable brand. In other words, the tables have turned.
    But this isn’t a gay rights issue. The firing of Phil Robertson, star of “Duck Dynasty” is a free speech issue. It’s symbolic of the biased, one-sided way the media and leftist elites treat free speech. People have every right to express opinions considered “progressive” or “politically correct” nowadays. But the same rules don’t apply to salt-of-the-earth, apple-pie, middle Americans who believe in God, country, guns, and yes, the Bible.
    Wayne Allyn Root
    http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/america-has-said-duck-you-to-ae/

    • Ducky says:

      Under the first amendment, you have the right to tell my employer “Your wife is ugly”. Would you be having the same argument if you got fired?
      A+E is a smart company. They realize that supporting gay bashing may help in the short term (Chick-fil-a), but will hurt your company in the long run. But their might be other reasons too. Maybe the CEO has a gay child. Maybe the producers have gay family members. Yes, you have the freedom of speech, but you should also know when to keep your mouth shut. Just because you have an opinion about your boss’s wife, doesn’t mean that you should mention it in front of him.

    • virgil says:

      my comment is gays are a learned habit as well as alcoholism,overweight, gambling ,money these are also learned behaviors and yes the bible is clear that it is sin but
      Gods grace is for all and He sent his son to redeem us all what a marvelous truth and yes did you know that if you buy Duck Dynasty A&E take the profit and if you buy Dick Commanders your money goes to the Robertsons
      and they use money to glorify the Savior whose birth we now are celebrating quit this bickering and say a prayer for the goodness of God and we can praise him for the day everyday

  28. Differently Abled says:

    Are there different degrees of sin? On what level of sin would you be for watching sexual movies? On what level would being gay be? On what level does one get off for gambling? Drinking? Using offensive language? Self stimulation? Is there a level for going to war and killing someone? Having a second plate of food? Telling a little white lie?

    This might be a good time to recall Pope Francis’ question, “who am I to judge?” Do not judge others because they have sinned differently than you. Mr. Robertson should utilize any and every platform to promote love, understanding and tolerance of others, and seek help so he can think more about duck callers, and less of mens’ anuses.

    • virgil says:

      I do not know if one sin is greater than another but I do know that repetition of the sin shows your heart is not trying to change but I do know there are degrees in heaven God requires a new and contrite heart and the older you get the more you realize the marvel of grace God bless each of us with a deep love for Jesus and may we believe the love God gave to send His son to die for us and I like the song and he washed my sins white as snow

  29. Chris g says:

    I think social media and the news take pc to a new level. Anyone has the right to speak their beliefs and have the right to defend them also. It is not our job to knit pick or say that is not right. In the bible It say’s “He will sit on the right hand of the father and Judge the Living and the dead.” That means not us, the news or the social media. So everyone take your cry baby pill and call a shrink.

  30. WOW says:

    This Lee Ann person sure does spend a lot of her time on her. Its almost like she knows that the majority of the people on here are against her opinions anyways so she must likes to spike up action. smh

    • Lee Ann says:

      I am on disability and unable to work. So I do probably spend far too much time on my computer. Because my fingers still work to type, even tho I have difficulties with other things.

      And I do realize that there are many people who do not believe the same way that I do. But that’s what makes up a world, all different kinds of people. So I try to never be rude, I try to respect other people’s different viewpoints. And don’t really mind the dislike button on my posts. I understand.

      • Tim says:

        Lee Ann
        I know we disagree on a whole bunch of stuff. LOL However I do respect your opinions (even tho sometimes it seems not) and I think it was a thought provoking op-ed from WOW. As far as the like dislike button…..it is an interesting button…I know for a fact, that many on here go to several different computors and hit the like or dislike button over and over, to try to support their opinion, so if one has 25 dislikes, they may be from the same person, and v/v. Yet it is interesting.

  31. Farmers Wife says:

    I am not going to argue whether or not this guy should be fired, but merely point out that his freedom of speech or freedom of religion have not been violated. The Constitution protects you from the government violating your rights. Phil Robertson, of Duck Dynasty, has not been arrested or charged with a crime for his comments about gays (nor should he be), he has been fired by a private employer for making these comments.

    Phil Robertson has the right to make whatever homophobic or racist comments he wants without fear of going to prison for it, however he does not have the right to have his own TV show, or to say what he wants without negative reactions from his employer or people in the community.

  32. Timmy says:

    The first amendment guarantees him protection from the government. He is allowed to say what he wants without fear of prosecution from the government. Not from his employer. That is where everyone is getting confused. He said some hateful things about something he knows nothing about. If someone went on tv saying the same thing about christians everyone would be up in arms over this saying suspend him immediately but when the shoe is on the other foot everyone immediately cries out persecution. Nice double standards.

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