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What Gives!


Date posted - December 12, 2013


How is it that we are asked not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics….but we are encouraged to judge all gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics

John

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42 Responses to “What Gives!”

  1. Sally says:

    Excellent, EXCELLENT point!!!!!!

  2. Ducky says:

    No matter how you sugarcoat it, guns are tools for killing. No matter what you may shoot at (clay pidgins, cut-outs, etc.), a gun was designed to kill. My views on guns are nothing special. I’m pro-gun, but I’m also pro-background check and keeping tabs on the firearms in this country.
    Muslims are people. And when it comes to any large social group, the majority are normal people with a few loons tossed in. If you don’t want people judging Christianity on a few crazy Christians, don’t judge people of other faith either.

  3. Lee Ann says:

    You all know I am very liberal politically. I have been a gun owner, I have a hunter safety card, I am an ex member of the NRA.

    90% of NRA members were okay with universal background checks, which does not make every gun owner considered a nut. You cannot tell by looking at someone what their past history is. You could have a guy “everybody loves”, “best neighbor I ever had”, “wonderful family”. and then find out his history he has domestic violence, dangerous mental health problems, or DUIs with threatening someone with a gun. And we would never think that he was that way.

    Nobody thinks all gun owners are horrible or unsafe. But for every 1000 people owning guns, there is bound to be 1 or 2 that bought from a gun show and should never have been allowed to have a weapon. I am definitely FOR universal background checks, and the normal regular gun owners will pass a background check easily. Anybody that cant pass a background check should not have a weapon. Now certain states are passing laws that gun carrying owners are allowed in bars. Not a good idea. Liquor and guns? I don’t think that’s safe.

    Probably everyone I ever knew as a child had guns. We used to have neighborhoods going to the range together. We’d all shoot each others’ weapons, have contests on target accuracy, sight in scopes, etc. I would never have worried about any of them being unsafe or dangerous. but a lot of these gun owners were cops and their friends. Nobody minds the regular safe gunowner having weapons. Everybody would mind if a person with a bad history buys weapons and is unsafe.

    • Tim says:

      Lee Ann…
      Two things..first why an “ex” member of the NRA???
      Second..I am for some sort of background checks, not gun registry. I am also for hand gun/long gun training. However if we use your analogy of any normal gun owner can pass the background check, then why is it that every one that drives a car, can still pass the driver exam…but should NOT be allowed to drive!!! Again….it is not the car that kills people it is the driver….

      • TM says:

        Whats wrong with a gun registry. We have to register our car or sex offenders or boats or atv, our motor homes and to vote.

        • HappyTimes says:

          “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government” Thomas Jefferson

          • Ducky says:

            I’m assuming when it comes down to it, citizen with a gun will lose to a government with an armed drone.

            That may have been the case at one point, but with today’s technology, the government could kill you in so many ways without you ever even seeing it.

          • Free Man says:

            Molon Labe.

        • 3 pointer says:

          when you purchase a firearm from a dealer you fill out paperwork thus it is registered not so if you purchase a gun in a private transaction.
          I prefer the latter because I do not trust this administration
          hopefully Hillary will be better

        • Tim says:

          I agree with registry of a sex offender, but as with a car, boat, atv, etc etc… you are registered to pay a yearly tax, (fine) for owning them. I don’t want the gov’t in my business any deeper than they are already. I already am forced to ‘register’ my crops, when I plant them, how much I plant, what my yeild is. How many animals I have on my farm. When and where I sell them. Where I put my animal waste and how much goes where…the list goes on and on and on… I say enough. I am sure a business owner of any sort is tired of all the rules and regulations there are to follow. We are becominig a society of gov’t knows everything, and want its fingers in everything you have and do. You may not agree with this, but they can come take any of your possesions you have ‘registered’ any time they want.
          Interesting reading:
          http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman
          http://picklyman.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/some-political-quotes-to-ponder/

      • Lee Ann says:

        I’m an Ex member because I got divorced, moved 900 miles away and just never re enrolled. Also lately I am not pleased with their rigid lobbying of the right. They used to spend all of their efforts on gun safety, gun classes for kids, etc. Now they are basically making money for the gun manufacturers.

        We both agree on background checks, Tim? That’s as far as I think it should go. I don’t think they should even be registering guns. If someone is safe and a regular gun owner, that’s enough for me. I just want the dangerously mentally ill, and violent people kept from buying guns at a gun show without a background check.

        Not everybody that passes a driver’s test gets to drive a car. Anyone with a DUI, anyone with too many accidents or tickets gets their license taken away, if you don’t have insurance, you are not supposed to drive. There are a lot of regulations to driving. The only one about gun ownership I am radical about is the universal background check.

        • I. M. Disgusted says:

          Registering guns will only be done by the law-abiding citizen. Controlling guns will only affect the law abiding citizen. Driving a car legally is only done by the law abiding citizen. Any law only affects the law abiding citizen. Do you see a trend, here?? Gun laws, driving laws, or any other laws only work if people obey them. I think we have enough rules, regulations and laws on the books now that are not being enforced. The more laws a government makes, the more law breakers the government has. Bring Back Common Sense !!!!

          • TM says:

            So, are you saying people should not have guns

          • I. M. Disgusted says:

            TM:
            I just read your reply, and so I re-read my comment. I don’t see anything about not owing guns. I don’t understand your comment.

          • TM says:

            you said “Any law only affects the law abiding citizen” also “Any law only affects the law abiding citizen” so to me that is saying an all or nothing approch. If you ment something else im sorry that is what i thought you were trying to say

          • I. M. Disgusted says:

            TM:
            My point was this: Laws are in place for everyone. Most people obey them, whether it is laws regarding traffic, guns, drugs, etc. However, those same laws pertain to those who do not obey them. So, if some scoff at the laws and do not obey them, they must feel those laws do not pertain to them. Hence my comment. Laws only pertain to law abiding citizens.
            By the way, I am a legal gun owner with a concealed permit. So, no, I am not saying people should not have guns.
            I think we have whipped this pony enough, so I am done with my comments. Let someone else have some fun.

    • Free Man says:

      Has licensing, driving exams written and oral, and a Highway Patrol out on the roads 24/7 with the ability to stop you and ask for your license stopped the 50,000+ deaths on the roads each year?

      Are there background checks and waiting periods for car purchases in the name of stopping drunk driving?

      Is there a campaign against high powered fully automatic transmissioned sports cars in the name of ending vehicular violence?

      Does the President shed a tear and propose new stricter automobile control legislation each day after the average of 136 traffic deaths have occured? For the children?

      Gun control is about the control of the people and nothing more.

  4. HappyTimes says:

    Ducky, You are absolutely correct? One man against the government won’t work, but We The People, armed will remove the government. Once We the People, figure out and get behind common sense. In the words again of Thomas Jefferson “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”

    • Lee Ann says:

      Armed insurrection? No way! The only way to change things in this country is in voting. The more people that vote, the better Congress we have. The more people let their legislator know what they want, the better. All of this disenfranchising of voters, and discouraging voters by long lines, and all the problems they are finding, damages democracy. I would love to see a requirement that everybody over 18 is required to vote. We have computers now, we could get everyone to voting, especially since even Public Libraries have computers for use.

      • Tim says:

        Wasn’t there something a long time ago, seems I remember in history, something about the British?….. who stood there ground back then? Wow. What an accomplishment! It was just citizens standing up for what was right…fighting for freedoms, and less gov’t opression…..omg..it worked???
        Oh…another ‘requirement’ Lee Ann? Just like we are now ‘required’ to participate in Obama Care (just to name one ‘requirement’). Voting is a priviledge and a right, those that don’t partake, should never voice an opinion.

        • Lee Ann says:

          That’s kind of a stretch. Since we do have the first amendment, anybody that wants to express an opinion is allowed to do so. so you couldn’t take away someone’s right to discus or debate on things in this country.

    • Ducky says:

      I would believe that, but we the people don’t seem to care enough to even vote. So, the bad and corrupt politicians just get elected term after term and make a career out of it. Majority of Americans believe in legalizing marijuana, pro-choice, and stricter gun control, yet our politicians believe the opposite and refuse to listen to their constituents.

      Isn’t it ironic that we invade countries and start wars to introduce democracy in other countries, but we ourselves don’t follow it? As someone in their early twenties, I am saddened to see that I may never see what true democracy looks like.

    • Ducky says:

      I would believe that, but we the people don’t seem to care enough to even vote. So, the bad and corrupt politicians just get elected term after term and make a career out of it. Majority of Americans believe in legalizing marijuana, pro-choice, and stricter gun control, yet our politicians believe the opposite and refuse to listen to their constituents.

      Isn’t it ironic that we invade countries and start wars to introduce democracy in other countries, but we ourselves don’t follow it? As someone in their early twenties, I am saddened to see that I may never see what true democracy looks like.

      • Free Man says:

        The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic, and is not a Democracy.

        A Democracy is 2 wolves and one sheep voting what’s for dinner.

        • Ducky says:

          And the wolves are large corporations and the government, right? Leaving the sheep to be the citizens? How is that different from what’s going on right now?

      • HappyTimes says:

        Sorry Ducky,
        I don’t know what planet you get your information from but abortion is murder! Until this country gets back to knowing the meaning of life and the value of each life, the importance of the 2nd amendment, and that marijuana is the stepping stone to hard drug use, we will just continue this downward spiral that we are presently in. One only has to watch a few of the TV programs that are on these days to see how corrupt the morals and values of this country have fallen. We have kicked God out of our country and we desperately need to invite him back into our country and our lives.

      • HappyTimes says:

        Ducky,

        Sorry but your information on what Americans believe is way off the chart. If you look at the votes in the various states, you will find that the Citizen’s of this country strongly believe in the right of a child to be born and enjoy life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. One only has to watch a few minutes of the programing on TV to see how far this country has fallen into the depths of dispare. We are an immoral country, pushed God out and lack of self control is setting the stage for total destruction.

  5. TM says:

    can any one tell me why you need guns anyway. People on here talk about how abortion is muder. They talk about protecting ones family with a gun. They talk about farmers feeding the world. They talk about people having to hunt for there food. They talk about over throwing the goverment. They talk about how people don’t vote. And people say im crazzy. At some point you have to look at our own words if you dont want the goverment to take your guns away shut up about making abortion illegal. If you dont have anything to hide shut up about the goverment being all knowing.

    • Ducky says:

      Here, take my like, good sir.

      I agree. How can people who are so eager to use their guns for whatever reason argue that abortion is murder? These “Stand Your Ground Laws” are allowing anyone to use their guns on people for what ever reason. Legally, you could shoot and kill somebody for being on your property. Not too long ago, a girl was shot in the head after she got into a car accident, seeked help from the closest house, and was murdered for no reason. I know so many people who live in this area who side with Zimmerman and that the black kid deserved it…

      P.S. Just because you don’t agree with the majority about abortion doesn’t make it false.
      About 75% agree in some shape or form with PRO-CHOICE
      http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

      Ignore the facts and click the dislike button over here ->

  6. Harriet Oleson says:

    After consulting with our local school teacher – Mary Ingalls – we both agree there is more of a need to require parenting classes and licenses than for gun registrations and licenses.

  7. Meets says:

    Ducky….at it again. Stirring the pot. So it thickens…….

  8. HappyTimes says:

    Ducky,

    Your first sentence? HERE, TAKE MY LIFE, GOOD SIR. Is that what you think all those babies are saying in the womb? They can’t fight back, but when I took a POLL, they all wanted to live.

    • Lee Ann says:

      I think we are wandering in our posts. i would think abortion would be another topic on the .02 message board. Maybe we can stick to the topic? Maybe a few of you would like to start another topic?

      While I realize that if we have a registry, the great majority of gunowners on a registry would be only the legal ones. Because the criminals just aren’t “in” to registration. And I don’t believe in a registry for gun owners. I believe in universal background checks. Because if just one or two dangerously mentally ill or criminal people are refused a gun, it might save one person, it might save 50 people. We don’t know. But I think its worth it to have universal background checks for that very reason. If you don’t have a criminal record, you don’t have a domestic violence charge, you don’t have a restraining order against you, you would more than likely have no problem with a universal background check. I just think that a part time background check (retail sales) is not enough. People wanting a weapon, just go to gun shows or private sales. We can’t sell a car without registering the title, we can’t drive a car until we have liability insurance. I just think a universal background check will at least make it more uniform throughout the country.

      • Free Man says:

        Seems to me that I can go to Craigslist or the local want ads, find a car for sale and buy it with cash. No check to make sure I have a license or if I have had an OWI. I am handed the keys and I can drive off down the road. If I don’t have a license or insurance the car still operates and there is nothing stopping me from driving to the bar and having a few before I drive off again.

        Did you hear about the letters going out in New York City now? They are contacting everyone who registered their firearms and ordering them to turn in their rifles and handguns that will accept a magazine that will hold over 5 rounds of ammunition. This proves that registration is the first step to confiscation, and this shows why they are after “Universal Background Checks” now. To be truely “Universal” there must be a Federal database with all information on gunowners, and this will be their final goal before confiscation.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM-6frfQ9Xc

        http://ammoheads.com/new-york-city-sends-gun-confiscation-letters-stating-immediately-surrender-rifle/

        • Another Gun Owner says:

          Well Said, Welcome to Germany 1936!

        • Lee Ann says:

          Here is a quote from http://www.opencarry.org. Please read the second paragraph. “There isn’t one.” when discussing the letter supposedly sent out.

          This is the thread that someone started about the letter. You can see a copy of said letter in the post. There is one Officer? (maybe?) that may or may not work for NYPD and is alleging its a hoax. He explained the letter on the internet is a modified copy. Not sure what proof they have, but these guys were discussing that the letter looks “suspect” due to a few things with its apperance. Again, this appears to be based on New York City Administrative Code 10-306(b) that was passed a few years ago. Apparantely they may have just started trying to enforce this section?

          http://www.nysrpa.org/files/nyc-admincode.pdf

          Finally, about the safe act… This is the letter that was sent to gun owners in regards to the “confiscation” of firearms….. there isn’t one. This letter states if you fail to comply with it they will suspend your license. Could that defacto lead to them getting a warrant and securing them? Maybe. But as of now, they are not threatening to kick their doors down…

          http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa…2013_05_v9.pdf

          So, it appears there is one guy who had his pistol permit yanked due to medical reasons (The blaze). There is a older law that states that anything over 5 rounds is no good in shotguns or rifles, and they may or may not be decidind to enforce that now (NYCAC 10-306(b)), which is the letter that was posted (maybe?) And finally, there is the Safe Act, which starts the ban on anything other 7 rds (pistol).

          If anything is wrong on here, I’m open for correction. Do not take this as complete source and compliation of “facts” with this ongoing issue. I just figured we needed a jumping point for anyone who was interested in the story. If anyone else has a better grasp of it please post and help us clear this up.

        • TM says:

          There is an old saying
          with great power comes great responcability
          i cant think of anything more powerful than the ability to take a life with the pull of a trigger

  9. Meets says:

    Ducky …like you stated above just ignore the facts ….and get a few power hunger ppl in the mix….what really is it that you want? Gay marriage? Abortion? Legal drug use? Equal rights? I think it is pretty obvious that you don’t believe in anything so once again really what is your point?

    • Lee Ann says:

      Oh, I’m pretty sure he believes in a lot of things. They just don’t happen to be the same things YOU believe in. I can appreciate your views, and believe you have the right to speak of them. But that same respect allows others to speak of their beliefs too. Ducky and I are never going to change your mind. But remember, you are never going to be able to change our minds either. That doesn’t make it wrong or lack of belief. We are all allowed our opinions. And we should all respect each other’s opinions, even if they are different than our own.

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